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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by bogbrush on Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:42 pm

Murrays going down here. He looks terrible, would be mincemeat for Djokovic / Fed / Nadal.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:50 pm

How good and refreshing it is to see a player hit the ball clean and flat like Fognini.

I am sick and tired of everyone muscling it, yelling, grimacing...what's all that about...where has the fun gone?

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:51 pm

bogbrush wrote:Murrays going down here. He looks terrible, would be mincemeat for Djokovic / Fed / Nadal.
No, he is just faking it as usual. Nothing wrong with him.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:54 pm

Emancipator wrote:Cilic maybe can redline and beat him - I have my doubts.

Murray I give very little chance. Nadal can do everything Murray can and better.
I don't think Cilic neds to redline.
Just not panic or choke the entire match...if that is possible.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by bogbrush on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:01 pm

Looks like I was wrong about here!

This think he's toast for any of the other three.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by gallery play on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:02 pm

Daniel wrote:
Because he's beaten 3 legends in J Millman (the Dark Destroyer), D Young (The Nightmare Hammer), and K Khachanov (Mr Kalashnikov)?  You can extrapolate him winning the tournament on the basis of beating these three deadly warriors?  Laugh
You're not going to convince me Nadal will be beaten before the final but you surely put a smile on my face Thumbs Up

ps: This just isn't the Dark Destroyer's year Big Grin

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:08 pm

bogbrush wrote: Looks like I was wrong about here!

This think he's toast for any of the other three.

Yes and no.
Dognini certainly has the tennis to beat Murray, sadly nit the head.

He simply does not want to grind this match. He is no fighter at all.
Amd I don't think that's neccessarily bad or that he is a whimp because of it.

But for this arena called ATP, he is not cut out for. Same as Tomic, Paire, Solgopolov, Dustin Brown and many others.

Sometimes he is in the mood to play, when his heart is full, and then it's just fantastic.


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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:16 pm

Another thing woth Fognini, he can't defend.
It's kind of below him. Laugh

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Veejay on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:17 pm

murray may be scrapping past a limping fognini but this is certainly no performance to rave about

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:23 pm

Fognini loving making Murray run like mad.

That's actually the most fun Murray provide as a tennis player - watching him scramble and froth.

Yes he may have slams and trophies, but hey, would Fognini swap with him?

I think not.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by bogbrush on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:33 pm

bogbrush wrote:Looks like I was wrong about here!

This think he's toast for any of the other three.
No, I was right.

Further updates coming up.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by bogbrush on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:35 pm

Foggy, such a talent. Such a pity he has the stereotypical Italian mentality.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Wow, Fabio has so much flair, it's beautiful. Bubbly

Maybe he's realised this is not grass but clay!

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:37 pm

bogbrush wrote:Foggy, such a talent. Such a pity he has the stereotypical Italian mentality.
What's wrong with Italian mentality?

They eat great food, have great family life, laid back people...not slaving to money like Brits.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:39 pm

Sublime lobs from Fognini...

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Jahu on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:50 pm

Foggy dont give up!!!

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Jahu on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:53 pm

... wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Foggy, such a talent. Such a pity he has the stereotypical Italian mentality.
What's wrong with Italian mentality?

They eat great food, have great family life, laid back people...not slaving  to money like Brits.

Thats why they are a bankrupt state, more style than working, you been there? From landing in Airport to tourist visits, you are in constant fear of being robbed by pickpockets, mostly Ex-Yu gypsies. romanians and African migrants.

Country totally sucks on every aspect, even pizza/pasta is crap. Heck Moscow was more fun and better.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:57 pm

Yes, I've been there, going to Sardinia again later this summer.

Nothing wrong with bella Italia.

Ricci e poveri are everywhere.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by bogbrush on Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:59 pm

... wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Foggy, such a talent. Such a pity he has the stereotypical Italian mentality.
What's wrong with Italian mentality?

They eat great food, have great family life, laid back people...not slaving  to money like Brits.
Lovely people, my favourites to socialise with. Delightful, cultured, humerous. I do business with them too, and I always add two months minimum to anything they promise because.... we'll, they're Italian.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:02 pm

And there goes Fabulous Fognini.
He has entertained us, the crowd, showed how tennis whould be played- beautifully, not ugly.

But that's a point of choice.

Is it better to lose beautifully and honestly or to win ugly, at all cost?

Going back to one of my old posts and a question I posted:

Winners, what have you won?
Losers, what have you lost?

But yes, right here right now a few million Brits will be happy...for about 15 minutes...bread and games.


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Post by Veejay on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:03 pm

so many shenanigans in that match,especially surrounding fognini
wonder what he will be saying in the press conference 
murray survives to die another day but that day seems to be a lot lot closer

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Jahu on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:06 pm

Dont think even in 5 sets Foggy could of won it. Nice one though.

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Post by Veejay on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:19 pm

Jahu wrote:Dont think even in 5 sets Foggy could of won it. Nice one though.
agreed,he is too inconsistent in a match,he plays brilliantly in spells but always fall short in big matches in big moments

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by DECIMA on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:54 pm

Tenez wrote:
Emancipator wrote:Man, that was an awful call  that should have been the break.

Yes that s what NITB referred to when she spoke about Nadal's satanic magic. He gets so lucky at times it's ridiculous.
Phew thank goodness, thought all my dark work was for nothing but looks like I've influenced a line call.
You and NITB really are something else.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:54 pm

gallery play wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Because he's beaten 3 legends in J Millman (the Dark Destroyer), D Young (The Nightmare Hammer), and K Khachanov (Mr Kalashnikov)?  You can extrapolate him winning the tournament on the basis of beating these three deadly warriors?  Laugh
You're not going to convince me Nadal will be beaten before the final but you surely put a smile on my face Thumbs Up

ps: This just isn't the Dark Destroyer's year Big Grin

You really shouldn't worry at this point. Yoghurt man has beaten Nadal before at Wimbledon but is still unlikely to do it again - but if Nadal meets Cilic he is going to be ground into powder. Picked up like a sardine by the tail fin and thrown aside.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:58 pm

DECIMA wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Emancipator wrote:Man, that was an awful call  that should have been the break.

Yes that s what NITB referred to when she spoke about Nadal's satanic magic. He gets so lucky at times it's ridiculous.
Phew thank goodness, thought all my dark work was for nothing but looks like I've influenced a line call.
You and NITB really are something else.

I'm willing to believe that the umpires don't do their job properly when it comes to the top 4 players v lower ranked - but satanic magic?  Doh Laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyNOg4jSRg

"What kind of magic spell to use?  Slide and nails and hawkeye fails.  Thunder or lightning... and the umpire said.....!"

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by summerblues on Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:59 am

Daniel wrote:if Nadal meets Cilic he is going to be ground into powder. Picked up like a sardine by the tail fin and thrown aside.
Good and bold prediction BUT:

If they do happen to meet and Rafa grinds Cilic into powder what will you say?  Will you take it like a man and admit you were wrong or will you explain that while Rafa is obviously useless he was just lucky that Cilic choked and played like a useless amateur, and if only Rafa were to meet one serious player he would obviously go down?

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:16 am

I'll admit that I was wrong about that match, yes.  But will it alter the fact Nadal has had a piddle draw up until then that would likely have found him out? No.  Let's be under no illusion. If Nadal had Fed's draw I don't think he'd be making QF (for that matter, I am not so sure Fed will).

Are you gonna be man enough to admit you were way too pessimistic and shaking in your boots to see I was right should Cilic win Winking  Yikes

PS I am on the wine. And I have a sneaky feeling Bogbrush has been tonight too!

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:43 am

But I did not say Cilic would definitely lose, so I do not have to admit anything.

I just watched the first four games of Rafa vs Khachanov. Rafa looked good but Khachanov was quite poor and made it easier for Rafa.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by gallery play on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:19 am

The thing is: would Cilic beat NAdal on clay? No. And these conditions hardly differ from RG. In fact: RG could be faster in comparison

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Tenez on Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:44 am

...especially from now on....plus more bad bounce than on clay meaning less confidence on attacking shots.

Federer will have to win it serve volleying!.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:35 am

gallery play wrote:The thing is: would Cilic beat NAdal on clay? No. And these conditions hardly differ from RG. In fact: RG could be faster in comparison
I think conditions differ enough to give Cilic a chance.
I saw him once in Wimbledon, he plays really well there, better than anywhere else, although he won a slam in USO.

The question is, will AELTC do anything about the state of the courts tomorrow?

And can they actually do anything?

Players say baseline is dangerously slippery and with holes, you mustn't plant your feet firmly.

I dunno, Murray and Nadal moved really well on CC yesterday, I didn't notice any problems.

I actually haven't seen any Nole (just highlights) and virtually a few points from Fed.


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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Tenez on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:50 am

I saw him once in Wimbledon
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But this year is slowest ever it seems. Maybe 2002 was the same?

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Tenez on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:52 am

I agree about Nadal moving well amd not slipping unlike the others. ...i guess all players have to have the same soles....isn t it? Hopefully they check the soles before and after.....

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 am

Tenez wrote:I saw him once in Wimbledon
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But this year is slowest ever it seems. Maybe 2002 was the same?

It seems.

I still think Cilic has a chance. I haven't seen him play yet, but Fognini's shots were hitting through the court no problem yesterday.

Poor Muller, we are talking like he is fresh air....

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Tenez on Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:17 am

Muller has no chance. His mouvement will be badly exposed.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:37 pm

gallery play wrote:The thing is: would Cilic beat NAdal on clay? No. And these conditions hardly differ from RG. In fact: RG could be faster in comparison


Yes, they are different to clay.  That's why Nadal has only won it twice and gone out to rank 100s four times in a row.  You guys have no evidence at all that it's any different this year other than a belief.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:38 pm

summerblues wrote:But I did not say Cilic would definitely lose, so I do not have to admit anything.

That's really just splitting hairs and doing a Bogbrush.  It's easy when you never actually make any concrete predictions or opinions.  Gutless.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Emancipator on Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:43 pm

... wrote:
gallery play wrote:The thing is: would Cilic beat NAdal on clay? No. And these conditions hardly differ from RG. In fact: RG could be faster in comparison
I think conditions differ enough to give Cilic a chance.
I saw him once in Wimbledon, he plays really well there, better than anywhere else, although he won a slam in USO.

The question is, will AELTC do anything about the state of the courts tomorrow?

And can they actually do anything?

Players say baseline is dangerously slippery and with holes, you mustn't plant your feet firmly.

I dunno, Murray and Nadal moved really well on CC yesterday, I didn't notice any problems.

I actually haven't seen any Nole (just highlights) and virtually a few points from Fed.


Of course the conditions differ. No matter how much of the grass is worn off it still plays very differently to a clay court. The movement required for one is very different.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:59 am

summerblues wrote:
Daniel wrote:if Nadal meets Cilic he is going to be ground into powder. Picked up like a sardine by the tail fin and thrown aside.
Good and bold prediction BUT:

If they do happen to meet and Rafa grinds Cilic into powder what will you say?  Will you take it like a man and admit you were wrong or will you explain that while Rafa is obviously useless he was just lucky that Cilic choked and played like a useless amateur, and if only Rafa were to meet one serious player he would obviously go down?

Will you admit that you took Nadal's success against weaker draw opposition as too much indication as to his chances of lifting the trophy?  Cool  Cilic would have murdered him.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by summerblues on Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:30 am

Cool, Sir, I admit, well done.  I wish that you always make the same prediction about Rafa and that you are always right.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:38 am

summerblues wrote:Cool, Sir, I admit, well done.  I wish that you always make the same prediction about Rafa and that you are always right.

Laugh   I wish I was too.  I had a disastrous year last.  This year has been so-so.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by legendkillar on Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:53 am

Tenez wrote:Muller has no chance. His mouvement will be badly exposed.


Surprised Daniel is not tasking you on this one Winking

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Tenez on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:24 pm

legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:Muller has no chance. His mouvement will be badly exposed.


Surprised Daniel is not tasking you on this one Winking

Yep - I did not envisage the fact that Muller did not even had to run. He ran less than 20% than Nadal (this is quite a big stat knowing how thin are the margins....and I expect than run was essentially about going to the net).

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by legendkillar on Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:31 pm

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:
Tenez wrote:Muller has no chance. His mouvement will be badly exposed.


Surprised Daniel is not tasking you on this one Winking

Yep - I did not envisage the fact that Muller did not even had to run. He ran less than 20% than Nadal (this is quite a big stat knowing how thin are the margins....and I expect than run was essentially about going to the net).


I have to say Muller was impressive. I was wondering where that court had been since Day 1! Nadal was unsettled and Muller put on a serving clinic. Hanging it out wide with the 1-2 combo. Very effective. The rare instance where the ball was doing most of the work. Muller certainly looked the fresher of the 2 at the end.

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Re: Wimbledon Day 5

Post by Daniel on Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:31 pm

I was going to, but only a fool fights a battle on 50 fronts.

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