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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:58 pm

Yeah but those runs look to me like a run of fortune cause you see him lose ridiculous matches in the meantime.

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:05 pm

Still, he's a proper grass player

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Post by Veejay on Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:31 pm

Tenez wrote:Yeah but those runs look to me like a run of fortune cause you see him lose ridiculous matches in the meantime.
i disagree,i think that run up to both semi finals made at wimbledon and the AO were down to playing some outstanding tennis
he definitely has the game and talent,he just needs to be more consistent and tougher mentally

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Post by Veejay on Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:32 pm

gallery play wrote:Still, he's a proper grass player
through and through,dont see many looking that comfortable on grass

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:56 pm

And Kyrgios calls it a day after losing the tiebreak.
 He fell down at 4-4, looked in serious pain right away.

I wouldn't put him in the list of contenders at Wimbledon anyway. He's a great shotmaker but he doesn't seem to be in his place on grass. Looks lanky

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Tenez wrote:And Rublev, by beating Ramos-vinola, makes his first entry in the top 100...not that impressive in view of the success of other youngsters. His progress certainly hit a wall for a while.
Great win for Rubi.
I saw the last two games, he is still a dragon and exciting to watch.

That FH!!!

And he was a break down in all three sets, not bad for him

I am glad he justified the WC.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:34 pm

gallery play wrote:And Kyrgios calls it a day after losing the tiebreak.
 He fell down at 4-4, looked in serious pain right away.

I wouldn't put him in the list of contenders at Wimbledon anyway. He's a great shotmaker but he doesn't seem to be in his place on grass. Looks lanky
I think Kyrgios is lazy and not fit enough, esp for today's game, that's why he gets injured so often.

He did beat Nadal a few years ago in Wimbledon...that's the last time I liked him, hehe.


Also weakminded, only able to play his best if he is playing the very best...and even then he caves in and collapses if he is losing (last year vs Murray)

Though, there has been so much match fixing I don't know what to believe any more.

Tennis is losing its appeal very fast.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:36 pm

Veejay wrote:
gallery play wrote:Still, he's a proper grass player
through and through,dont see many looking that comfortable on grass

Yes, Dimi is a good grass court player, I think he is still recovering frim his loss to Nadal in AO.

That was his best match ever, he should've won, he fought like a lion, quite moving.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Veejay wrote:murray defend a grand slam/wimbledon title...?? 
ill believe it when i see it 
dimitrov certainly looking a contender for the queens title
Murray played well in RG, well enough to be called one of the W favourites.

He is fit and consistent, plus home crowd...and that was enough last year, sad, but true.

I didn't even bother watching the final. It could not get uglier for me.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:19 pm

Another young & exciting Russian (Canadian) player, Shapalov.
Just turned 18, lefty sbh. 

And lookong so natural on grass (though no volleys)

I haven't said it for a long time, so I feel I can  Big Grin

Ban double handed backhand!!!!!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:27 pm

gallery play wrote:Still, he's a proper grass player
Without a great grass winning record though.

I like his game.....but in sport it needs to be substantiated with tangible results.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:44 pm

... wrote:Another young & exciting Russian (Canadian) player, Shapalov.
Just turned 18, lefty sbh. 

And lookong so natural on grass (though no volleys)

I haven't said it for a long time, so I feel I can  Big Grin

Ban double handed backhand!!!!!

yes. I have been watching him v Edmund. very impressed!

His BH is really good for his age. He looks a better player than Rublev already.

I think he is going to kill Zverev in the furture. His FH is also amazing.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:58 pm

wow...just realised that Shapo is only 6'. I thought he was another 6'5+ kind of guy.

This makes him even more impressing than I thought. His serve is extremely good for his size. A pure talent.

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Post by Veejay on Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:31 pm

woah what a massive choke job by edmund!!
suddenly the whole match thrown away...BRUTAL

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:31 pm

Yes, Shapalov is not a percentage player  nor is he a basher, he is natural...a rarity among young players.

Look at Edmund, he bores me to death.

And as I type this, Shap wins! Applause

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:53 pm

Very imprssed by this youngster. Great to watch already. Remjnds me Goran with more skills.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:30 pm

Yes, he's an interesting player.

He has about 90% there, maybe work on serve and volleys.

The rest is just inexperience. 

But as you say, aleady with a decent, proper game.

And some very nice BH angles. Plus he is so confident with it.

And only 18!

I am curious how he managed to escape the dull moulding a la Pospisil & Raonic.

He is bursting with the right kind of tennis energy.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:28 pm

Ok. I may have been a bit too enthusiatic about Rublev...time will tell...but this Shapo is really impressive and his SHBH shows the raw talent. I think he is going to be the real deal. Not the grace of Federer but probably close in terms of talent. His BHs are by far the best out there. Better than Dimi and Thiem.

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Post by Daniel on Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:03 am

gallery play wrote:And Kyrgios calls it a day after losing the tiebreak.
 He fell down at 4-4, looked in serious pain right away.

I wouldn't put him in the list of contenders at Wimbledon anyway. He's a great shotmaker but he doesn't seem to be in his place on grass. Looks lanky

You'll be watching him lift the trophy one day. Winking

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Post by gallery play on Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:01 am

Daniel wrote:
gallery play wrote:And Kyrgios calls it a day after losing the tiebreak.
 He fell down at 4-4, looked in serious pain right away.

I wouldn't put him in the list of contenders at Wimbledon anyway. He's a great shotmaker but he doesn't seem to be in his place on grass. Looks lanky

You'll be watching him lift the trophy one day. Winking
If so, it 'll be the US open or AO first. For Wimbledon i don't see him as a bigger prospect than f.i. Delpo once was.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:31 pm

Daniel wrote:
gallery play wrote:And Kyrgios calls it a day after losing the tiebreak.
 He fell down at 4-4, looked in serious pain right away.

I wouldn't put him in the list of contenders at Wimbledon anyway. He's a great shotmaker but he doesn't seem to be in his place on grass. Looks lanky

You'll be watching him lift the trophy one day. Winking
i dont know about that...i reckon all his shenanigans will always be what gets the better of him in every tournament he plays in
he simpy isnt disciplined  and focused enough on court,theres always some kind of drama 
all the clown behaviour has to go,he certainly has the potential to be a grand slam winner but he needs to get his attitude and head in the right place first

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:17 pm

milos raonic not looking like much of a threat on grass this season 
that was pretty poor from him today

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:05 pm

Veejay wrote:milos raonic not looking like much of a threat on grass this season 
that was pretty poor from him today

My heart is bleeding.... Cry

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Post by Daniel on Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:00 pm

Stan already out.  No surprises. His backhand is useless on grass - He likes it slower.  He just isn't cut for grass at all.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:50 pm

Daniel wrote:Stan already out.  No surprises. His backhand is useless on grass - He likes it slower.  He just isn't cut for grass at all.
Laugh
you obviously didnt see the match
stan was clearly struggling with some nagging knee injury which was prohibiting his movement 
he nearly knocked federer out at wimbledon a few years back,he also pushed murray to a 5th set nearly knocking him out at wimbledon too..so i dont know how you can say he isnt cut for gras at all  erm

looks to me like the over 30's are starting to feel the season in their joints now..murray also looks to be struggling with some hip injury/stiffness as im typing this

federer off to a winning start in halle..hope that he keeps it up
he should be liking his chances with all these players looking injured

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Post by Jahu on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:02 pm

Is Andy doing a Fed Stuttgart? Going home soon.

Fed a quicky in Halle won.

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Post by Jahu on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:07 pm

Andy goes home in too, totally a show up, pickup the money and go home.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:13 pm

what a win by jordan thompson!! world no 90 knocks out world no1 on his favourite surface!!
so no history to be made for murray at queens
of course murray played no where near his best but thompson really took the match to murray and played some brilliant tennis 
the great thing about this is that we dont have to hear all the murray worshipping/ass licking all week long from the likes sue barker andrew castle and john lloyd 
now we can really enjoy queens!!
what a day at queens world no1,no3 and no6 knocked out!!

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:15 pm

Jahu wrote:Andy goes home in too, totally a show up, pickup the money and go home.
no i think that andy wanted to make history at queens,he seemed to be feeling his hip

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Post by Jahu on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Ok Mr.Doctor, defend him  Laugh

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:20 pm

john lloyd still trying to promote his murray is the favourite for wimbledon" crap  Laugh
its hilariously funny trying to see him convince himself of that  Laugh

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:32 pm

so with wawrinka knocked out today,federer only needs to win 1 more match to get the no4 ranking before wimbledon 
things already starting to line up pretty good for him 
lets hope that continues

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:45 pm

poor victims of the grenfell tower...
murray was going to donate his winnings from queens to help the victims...they wont be getting much now...

instead of making history at queens murrays run of breaking serve in 136 consecutive matches come to an end

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Post by Jahu on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:48 pm

He has little in his Bank acc I assume and chose only this prize money to donate?

Give 1 million and stfu Andy.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:54 pm

Jahu wrote:He has little in his Bank acc I assume and chose only this prize money to donate?

Give 1 million and stfu Andy.
everyone was praising him for his charitable donation,imagine how it looks now with the way he lost..
doesnt seem like he even tried to win the victims anything

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Post by Emancipator on Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:56 pm

... wrote:
Veejay wrote:milos raonic not looking like much of a threat on grass this season 
that was pretty poor from him today

My heart is bleeding.... Cry

He's rubbish anyway. Such a limited plodder. Nearly lost to a one legged Fed last year. If Federer's fit I'd expect him to beat Raonic in str8 sets - similar to the score from the semi in 2014.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:47 pm

Jahu wrote:He has little in his Bank acc I assume and chose only this prize money to donate?

Give 1 million and stfu Andy.
murray should have shut up and waited till he went deep into the tournament before making such a charitable statement 
now its turned into a PR disaster for him cause he barely looked like he was trying to win plus he only walks away with something like 12 grand..
i agree its best he just puts his money where his mouth is and donate the same amount he would have if he had won
its hardly going to put a dent into his almost $60 million earnings

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Post by Jahu on Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:14 pm

sure he has over 100M, heck 200M probably, so why does he have to bark it out that Queens Tournament money will be for them? Should of donated his scottish pounds next few days after the tragedy and not tie his help to a Tournament prize money, and why does he have to wait for this prize money anyway to help people who are sleeping on the street? Does he have a PR, mother wife or someone to tell him Oi, get on the fucking e-banking app or call your Private Banker at Coutts and push 1M to whoever charity is helping Grenfell victims, moron!!!

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Post by Emancipator on Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:28 pm

Never understood the need to publicise your charity donations. Foundations and ongoing work yes but one off donations - just give the damn money and don't tell anyone.

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:58 pm

Emancipator wrote:Never understood the need to publicise your charity donations. Foundations and ongoing work yes but one off donations - just give the damn money and don't tell anyone.
i dont agree with publicising your charity donations either,it doesnt come across sincere and genuine to me
its all just pr to make the person look good and like they are doing their part
if they werent famous or living in the public would they still do it if they could? 
i doubt that would be the case for many,cause i only think that they are donating money cause they are expected to
but doing something like what federer does,the charity matches,or the manchester pop concert i think is very different cause they are actually doing something to raise money for the victims
thats time and effort and it shows that they genuinely care enough to try and help 
this is why murrays charitable attempt is a pr disaster,he didnt look like he was fighting to win the victims some money

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Post by Veejay on Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Jahu wrote:sure he has over 100M, heck 200M probably, so why does he have to bark it out that Queens Tournament money will be for them? Should of donated his scottish pounds next few days after the tragedy and not tie his help to a Tournament prize money, and why does he have to wait for this prize money anyway to help people who are sleeping on the street? Does he have a PR, mother wife or someone to tell him Oi, get on the fucking e-banking app or call your Private Banker at Coutts and push 1M to whoever charity is helping Grenfell victims, moron!!!
he dug himself a real hole to try and get out of now  Laugh
giving just 12 grand will make him look like a right tight ass so it will be interesting to see how he responds to try and get himself out of it

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:33 am

Veejay wrote:so with wawrinka knocked out today,federer only needs to win 1 more match to get the no4 ranking before wimbledon 
things already starting to line up pretty good for him 
lets hope that continues
Are you sure of that?

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:26 am

Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:so with wawrinka knocked out today,federer only needs to win 1 more match to get the no4 ranking before wimbledon 
things already starting to line up pretty good for him 
lets hope that continues
Are you sure of that?
that is what sue barker said yesterday after murray was knocked out and federer won his first match at halle 
but even if it wasnt true,wimbledon reserves the right to seed players so it wouldnt surprise me if they seeded federer 4th ahead of stan wawrinka

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:46 am

Yes but W seeds with a formula based on last 12 months grass performance so Fed not grazed much on grass last 12 months.

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Post by Daniel on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:21 am

The Committee seeds the top players and pairs on the basis of their rankings, but it can change the seedings based on a player's previous grass court performance. Since 2002 a seeding committee has not been required for the Gentlemen's Singles following an agreement with the ATP. While the seeds are still the top 32 players according to rankings, the seeding order is determined using the formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.[22]

Jahu.  Not what you said.

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Post by Slippy on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:22 am

He needs one more win to get the Number 4 seed at Wimbledon, not the Number 4 ranking. As Jahu says, Wimbledon uses a special formula taking into account grass court performance. One more win will give Fed sufficient "bonus" points to get seeded above Stan.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:48 am

I saw the highlights of Federer-Sugita.
It looked more like a baseline hitting practice than a match.

Tomorrow is going to be a proper grass show with M.Zverev who played a very good match vs Lopez in Stuttgart.

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:46 pm

Slippy wrote:He needs one more win to get the Number 4 seed at Wimbledon, not the Number 4 ranking. As Jahu says, Wimbledon uses a special formula taking into account grass court performance. One more win will give Fed sufficient "bonus" points to get seeded above Stan.
ok that makes more sense,i obviously mistook barker saying 1 win to be seeded 4th for 1 win to get the no4 ranking 
i didnt quite understand it either cause federer wasnt just 1 win away from the no4 ranking

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:49 pm

queens voted best tournament by the players once again (??)  erm
who is voting?
not surprised to see tsonga being knocked out 
he seems to be on a decline or in some kind of slum...knocked out in the first round at RG too

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:50 pm

djokovic accepts a wild card into eastbourne
thought it was a womans only event  Big Grin

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