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Re: Grass - 2017

Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:11 pm

Maybe just saving some energy, play just to win the match and get some grass under his feet and save it for W, don't know but not inspiring much confidence for W.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:15 pm

Jahu wrote:Maybe just saving some energy, play just to win the match and get some grass under his feet and save it for W, don't know but not inspiring much confidence for W.

It's such a lovely day, summer, sunshine, I'll let Ljubicic pull his hair because of Fed....I'm off to having a nice afternoon in Windsor. Somersault

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Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:40 pm

Alone? Call me you selfish girl, I'll say Djoko is GOAT  Laugh

Have fun.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:40 am

I feel the first OTF marriage is not far away Laugh

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:16 am

surprised to see lopez ease past dimitrov
he was my pick for this years queens title..
com'on Federer kick zverev's ass!!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:35 am

Not that surprised. Dimi is a great shot maker but like his wins he can t string enough together. To be beaten by a 34yo when you are supposed to be at the top of your form...is bad really. Good on Cilic to beat Gilles but even that one was a close one.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:04 pm

gallery play wrote:I feel the first OTF marriage is not far away Laugh

Laugh

I must admit we have a great gallery of characters here: often much more fun than the matches we watch.

Take Tenez & yourself for example...what a pair! Winking




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Re: Grass - 2017

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:19 pm

wow.....Fed is back.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:22 pm

Like a typical RR, Zverev will start to be dangerous from set 2 onwards.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:29 pm

hehe Misha must be saying to himself..."I did better than you Bro"!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:31 pm

Zver could be a really good player if he had his older brother's guts.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:34 pm

Wow, the slo-mo of Zver's FH shows how much power he pounds into it.

The long swing, good timing, tall...and notmmuch left to chance.

He is Fed's dream, I can see how badly he wants to make him run. Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:41 pm

Two best matches in 2017 were Federer-Nadal AO and Federer-Kyrgios (iw?)

I am curious to see if Zverev can find a way to get into points with Federer.

Somfar he is only banking on hammering his returns.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:47 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Fed playing Kachanov in Halle semis. Very rusty. Slicing the ball much more than he was in Aus earlier this year.
It's normal. You will never see as great a display on grass as on HC because the bounce doesn't give you the confidence to go for shots. I have played a lot on grass and unlike HC you never have the same bounce, therefore it is very difficult to get proper timing, so you tend to play with more safety in mind knowing that your opponent will suffer from it too.

You can see how Federer plays very smartly v Zverev . he sends him very varied balls and each of those are going to bounce their own way. It jammed him in that first set.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:50 pm

And that's it....Zverev having a first warning about his gruelling style of play.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:52 pm

Going over the time limit warning?

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Re: Grass - 2017

Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:55 pm

Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:57 pm

Daniel wrote:Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

Must have stg to do with the guy across the net. Winking

Forget about your £20...

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:02 pm

... wrote:
Daniel wrote:Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

Must have stg to do with the guy across the net. Winking
Exactly. he is dealing with a different pace and variety. Zverev is being rushed and forced into much more thinking.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:02 pm

What a schooling...on the "home" turf...

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:02 pm

... wrote:
Daniel wrote:Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

Must have stg to do with the guy across the net. Winking

Forget about your £20...

Yeah, cause 1st serves and 1st serve % and unforced errors really has something to do with the guy across the net? You're clueless.  Also, will you please quit it with your ridiculous gloating. I lost 5. You're too gutless to even bet.  Thumbs Up

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:05 pm

Daniel wrote:
... wrote:
Daniel wrote:Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

Must have stg to do with the guy across the net. Winking

Forget about your £20...

Yeah, cause 1st serves and 1st serve % and unforced errors really has something to do with the guy across the net? You're clueless.  Also, will you please quit it with your ridiculous gloating. I lost 5. You're too gutless to even bet.  Thumbs Up
Don't be aggressive like that. You are a bad loser and a poor learner of the game.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:08 pm

I think "forget about your 20" was uncalled for and clearly being a nob head.  Also "poor learner of the game" LOL yeah, cause zverev didn't beat Fed last year. I imagined it. I also imagined you saying he didn't have a chance. We don't all buy your "belief" that players are better at 55.


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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:09 pm

Some nice volleys that last game!

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:09 pm

Children, come come. 
Federer won, all is good Big Grin

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:11 pm

Fed hits 22 winners, Zverev 8, nuff said

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:12 pm

gallery play wrote:Some nice volleys that last game!
Yes I feel that Fed won trotting without forcing his game as clearly he did not want to injure himself like in 2010.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:12 pm

gallery play wrote:Fed hits 22 winners, Zverev 8, nuff said

Not only that, Zverev's first serve and unforced error count was awful.  He didn't turn up.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Daniel wrote:
gallery play wrote:Fed hits 22 winners, Zverev 8, nuff said

Not only that, Zverev's first serve and unforced error count was awful.  He didn't turn up.

The serve stats were much better in that 2nd set...it did not help.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:14 pm

Daniel wrote:
... wrote:
Daniel wrote:Zverev playing worst he has all tournament... been shocking stuff so far.

Must have stg to do with the guy across the net. Winking

Forget about your £20...

Yeah, cause 1st serves and 1st serve % and unforced errors really has something to do with the guy across the net? You're clueless.  Also, will you please quit it with your ridiculous gloating. I lost 5. You're too gutless to even bet.  Thumbs Up
Sorry, Daniel, I didn't realise you are that sensitive!

I am only teasing you....try to see the funny side and relaaaaax Thumbs Up

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:16 pm

I like this result. It will make Nadal think a little.

There was some pressure on Fed. He had to justify his scheduling. For now it looks like it paid off

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:17 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:Some nice volleys that last game!
Yes I feel that Fed won trotting without forcing his game as clearly he did not want to injure himself like in 2010.
True. I haven't seen much but i guess he played at 80% all week.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:17 pm

Daniel wrote:
gallery play wrote:Fed hits 22 winners, Zverev 8, nuff said

Not only that, Zverev's first serve and unforced error count was awful.  He didn't turn up.
Daniel, did you see how Federer toyed with Zverev at the net...drew him to it and then passed him at will.
And the balls Zverev did get to, he couldn't volley them to save his life.

Not to mention the dropshots and fast baseline play from Federer.

He has tooooo much game for Zverev.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
Daniel wrote:
gallery play wrote:Fed hits 22 winners, Zverev 8, nuff said

Not only that, Zverev's first serve and unforced error count was awful.  He didn't turn up.

The serve stats were much better in that 2nd set...it did not help.

It was still crap. Still tons of errors that he wasn't doing before. He was nervous - plain and simple. He didn't turn up. I don't expect you to understand, as you see things through Federer fanboy lens and everything he does shines gold.  You've probably already got him down as a dead cert for wimbledon despite it being unlikely.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:22 pm

Much better from Fed today. Though to some extent it was also that Zverev's style was easier for Fed to play against. Khachanov hits so big he was able to force Fed on defense. I remember watching Fed play Zverev on clay maybe a couple of years ago and just like then, today he also played many drop shots.

All in all, good prep for Federer.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:25 pm

Chill Daniel.  Nobody died. smiley

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:26 pm

Fed is a bad matchup for Zverev. Zverev will always look like he is not playing his best vs Fed.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:47 pm

summerblues wrote:Fed is a bad matchup for Zverev.  Zverev will always look like he is not playing his best vs Fed.
Before this match the h2h was 1-1. The one Zverev won was on grass..

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:07 pm

I know, I saw both of those matches. Fed won on clay very comfortably (more than the score indicates) and I expected him to win on grass too, but he did not.

But I thought it was more to Fed's poor performance than anything else. I really think that Zverev - more so than some other players - has a difficult time coping with Fed's variety. It makes him look worse. Sort of like Stan in that regard, who can play great against Nole and still look ordinary vs Fed.

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:34 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Fed playing Kachanov in Halle semis. Very rusty. Slicing the ball much more than he was in Aus earlier this year.
It's normal. You will never see as great a display on grass as on HC because the bounce doesn't give you the confidence to go for shots.  I have played a lot on grass and unlike HC you never have the same bounce, therefore it is very difficult to get proper timing, so you tend to play with more safety in mind knowing that your opponent will suffer from it too.

You can see how Federer plays very smartly v Zverev . he sends him very varied balls and each of those are going to bounce their own way. It jammed him in that first set.
that's always the most visually obvious thing for me watching RG for 2 weeks and then seeing the first match on grass at queens

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:37 pm

so how much would you have won if Federer lost today Daniel?
youre saying that you bet 20 and lost 5
I'm not a betting person so I have no idea how it works
wouldn't losing a bet mean that you lose what you've betted?

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:50 pm

Does anyone know why Djokovic chose Eastbourne for his grass prep?  Usually it is just the second tier players that play one week before a slam (I know Stan did it before RG but still).  Was it a last minute decision or did he plan it all along?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:08 pm

He's almost always played his grass prep the week before Wimbledon at Boodles (exos).

Not sure why he stopped that, maybe sponsors.

So Eastbourne is the replacement...not much pressure plus the match conditions.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:51 pm

VAMOS LOPEZ!

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:01 pm

best final I have ever seen at queens,really high quality match
happy to see lopez win after coming so close before,he really deserved it
the crowd were really on his side today,i think that cilic's serious face looks a bit too threatening

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm

john Lloyd now saying that Federer is the favourite for the Wimbledon title Laugh
what happened to murray being the favourite?
and did murray ever donate his "winnings" to the Grenfell tower victims?

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:28 pm

Good to see Fed crush that little russian spy, masterclass  Laugh

So this 2017 Fed/Nadal each 4 titles, Zverev/Tsgona 3 each.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:56 pm

Veejay wrote:so how much would you have won if Federer lost today Daniel?
youre saying that you bet 20 and lost 5
I'm not a betting person so I have no idea how it works
wouldn't losing a bet mean that you lose what you've betted?

I bet 5 lost 5. I stood to win a little over 20.  The low bet was precisely because it was a risky bet.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:57 pm

I know I sound like a broken record......but again the winners this week are a 34 and 35yo.


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Post by Daniel on Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:59 pm

Tenez wrote:I know I sound like a broken record......but again the winners this week are a 34 and 35yo.



Yup. You are.  These guys didn't win a slam or a Masters event.  These things are seen as nothing but warm ups for Wimbledon. The only over 30s doing anything are Nadal Fed and sometimes Wawrinka. Zverev won Rome.  

We'll see who wins Wimbledon. Where it counts.

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