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Post by Veejay on Mon May 29, 2017 5:26 pm

oh my how the mighty fall from grace!!the mugshot!! Yikes Yikes  no shit-woods looks awful in the mugshot,doubt the police gave him 30 goes at it and a juno filter like your selfies on instagram.dont know why they didnt use the smiling one,maybe cause of the crime committed.he actually looked better after his ex wife beat him with a golf club then in that mug shot
woods cant seem to avoid scandal and controversy,its really sad when you think about how much people respected him.the continued demise of tiger woods over the years has been one of the hardest things to watch in sport

theres the infidelity scandal with numerous dog-ugly dirty skank porn stars most likely carrying every STD known to man,who were waaayyy uglier then his gorgeous ex-wife,linked to doctors who were under investigation for HGH doping offences and now driving under the influence of alcohol,a very serious crime taking consideration how many lives have been lost to drunk driving.being close friends with roger due to IMG relations this really puts federers squeaky image in perspective,he has gone through an entire career without as much as being wrapped up in 1 scandal.even when he was going through difficult times on court,nothing off court distracted or influenced hm in a bad way
tiger woods is worth an estimated $740 million..he can afford all the Ubers in the world 


Golf star Tiger Woods was arrested on a drink-driving charge in Florida early on Monday morning, police say.
Police recorded the arrest at 07:18 local time (11:18 GMT) and the golfer was released a few hours later, records from Palm Beach County police show.
He was arrested in the town of Jupiter at around 03:00 local time, media reports say.
The 41-year-old has been recovering from a recent back surgery and last blogged about his health on 24 May.
He wrote that the surgery had relieved terrible pain and that he hadn't "felt this good in years".
He said the outlook for a return to competitive golf was "positive".




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40087317

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Post by Tenez on Tue May 30, 2017 7:08 pm

Poor tiger...more like guilty lamb nowadays.

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Post by Veejay on Wed May 31, 2017 5:34 pm

no doubt that the guy is an absolute genius at his sport,he just continually makes very bad judgement calls that has a major impact on his reputation 
golf is a lot like tennis,there is a certain code of conduct and expectation i behaviour 
had he been a footballer then this would havent have been that surprising or frowned upon as much

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:20 am

Saw the police footage.

What a mess. His swing clearly his biggest downfall as it has lead to so many injuries. To think he was burnt out by 32 is scary!

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Post by Veejay on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:48 pm

legendkillar wrote:Saw the police footage.

What a mess. His swing clearly his biggest downfall as it has lead to so many injuries. To think he was burnt out by 32 is scary!
he said that he never felt better after this recent surgery just before the DUI so it sounded like things were on the up again for him
what a stupid thing to do though

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:19 pm

Veejay wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Saw the police footage.

What a mess. His swing clearly his biggest downfall as it has lead to so many injuries. To think he was burnt out by 32 is scary!
he said that he never felt better after this recent surgery just before the DUI so it sounded like things were on the up again for him
what a stupid thing to do though


From a health perspective most certainly. Take into account he tried changing and developing his swing when he was 27/28, which is a bold move if you are trying to maintain the high levels of success. His back and knees must be dust by now.

Everyone would love to see the old tiger back (golf wise, not the shagging anyone and everyone) but I think in this case this dog has already had his day.

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Post by Veejay on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:26 pm

i dont know much about golf but im baffled that a sport which doesnt even remotely look physical could potentially cause that much injury

i know that tigers father drilled him as a kid,could be that he is cashing the cheques now he was writing back them

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Post by legendkillar on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:31 pm

It's all in the swing Vee. Tiger's swing in his pomp relied heavily so much on the back. Around 2003 he tried re-modelling his swing to take less pressure off the back and instead knackered his knees! His down swing and follow through is so violent, hence why it never really looked like the fluid swing it could've been. Swing coaches I've spoken to over the years always said Tiger would fall apart by his 30's and they were right.

He is an incredible putter, but the problem is tee to green takes an age for him now.

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Post by Veejay on Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:06 pm

legendkillar wrote:It's all in the swing Vee. Tiger's swing in his pomp relied heavily so much on the back. Around 2003 he tried re-modelling his swing to take less pressure off the back and instead knackered his knees! His down swing and follow through is so violent, hence why it never really looked like the fluid swing it could've been. Swing coaches I've spoken to over the years always said Tiger would fall apart by his 30's and they were right.

He is an incredible putter, but the problem is tee to green takes an age for him now.
i was actually thinking that,the swing must cause some wear and tear over the years and back problems are tough,once they start they never really go away
thats really interesting about how changing his swing affected his knees as well
do you think that its all down to bad technique or was it always inevitable 
in golf can you peak at a certain age and then possibly burn out after that?
how much does confidence play a part?

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Post by Veejay on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:27 pm

woods looks completely wasted!! apparently woods is claiming that he didnt know the side effects of mixing his various drugs after his recent surgery
in the comments section people are saying that he registered a 0.00 breathalyzer twice
either way he should have gotten a driver
video of DUI released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcBMAxZwOnM

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:37 am

Veejay wrote:
legendkillar wrote:It's all in the swing Vee. Tiger's swing in his pomp relied heavily so much on the back. Around 2003 he tried re-modelling his swing to take less pressure off the back and instead knackered his knees! His down swing and follow through is so violent, hence why it never really looked like the fluid swing it could've been. Swing coaches I've spoken to over the years always said Tiger would fall apart by his 30's and they were right.

He is an incredible putter, but the problem is tee to green takes an age for him now.
i was actually thinking that,the swing must cause some wear and tear over the years and back problems are tough,once they start they never really go away
thats really interesting about how changing his swing affected his knees as well
do you think that its all down to bad technique or was it always inevitable 
in golf can you peak at a certain age and then possibly burn out after that?
how much does confidence play a part?

It does as his back took the most of the effort in the swing and hence creates a dependency on that body part. He then has to reconfigure his swing to take the pressure of his back thus creating more of a reliance on the knees to take the brunt. I will try and dig some video's out later to show you the dynamic of his swing. Norman for me had the best swing of any golfer. Fluid and effortless.

Some would call it bad technique and rightfully given the physical problems he has encountered. You also have to take stock that Woods absolutely enhanced the power based game. At the 2000 Open at St Andrews he never found a bunker in 4 rounds because he was driving in excess of 320 yards clearing them! That combination of power and accuracy was too much for the field.

Golfers tend to in more modern times peak later in their careers. Comes with experience mainly. Some peak almost immediately. Woods, Nicklaus, Mcilroy, Speith, Seve, Faldo. For those players, it's even more difficult to maintain a peak. Nicklaus for example was quite a chubber in the 60's, smoked and by the turn of the 70's instead of carrying a fag on to the course, he took a banana, dropped weight, became leaner and thus was able to prolong his peak because much better conditioning.

Confidence is huge, like in any sport. If you have the mixture of extreme un-measurable talent and confidence, peaks can last a bit longer. In golf the margins are much tighter. You can lose a Major on one hole, but not win it on one hole.

I think Daley Thompson summed up the part confidence plays in sport, provided you have good health. He said of his mindset in 1987 going into the Seoul Games as defending Olympic Champion "I started to pick up little niggling injuries, however I reached a stage in my career when I knew I wasn't getting any better, but I wasn't getting any worse and if I how I am performing now is enough to beat the rest of the field, I am going to win. I thought I was going to win at the Olympics, until 3 days prior to the event that I tore my abductor"

If you look at Woods attempted comebacks since 2008, he hasn't been able to generate any winning momentum. His body has all but failed him. Watching Woods now is almost like watching Faldo in his decline. You know that if it all clicks into place once more, he could win one more Major. It never happened for Nick and I don't see it happening to Tiger.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:53 pm

Well well well..
2 weeks ago Tiger had a decent run at the Honda classic (F 12th), he now tied second at Valspar. He still makes more errors than he used to but there's definitly some magic back. Let's see if he can keep it together and more importantly, if his back holds

This week i drew a parallel between Nadal and Woods, the guys i love to hate. It was a bad parallel. Nadal doesn't make tennis more exiting for me, i usually switch off the TV when he plays. This in contrast with Tiger, i can't stop watching when he's on the leaderboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3PKV7iKl8
Welcome back Tiger, stay fit man

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:11 pm

Good to hear. Not a fan of Tiger but he surely has more talent than Nadal.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:40 pm

gallery play wrote:Well well well..
2 weeks ago Tiger had a decent run at the Honda classic (F 12th), he now tied second at Valspar. He still makes more errors than he used to but there's definitly some magic back. Let's see if he can keep it together and more importantly, if his back holds

This week i drew a parallel between Nadal and Woods, the guys i love to hate. It was a bad parallel. Nadal doesn't make tennis more exiting for me, i usually switch off the TV when he plays. This in contrast with Tiger, i can't stop watching when he's on the leaderboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3PKV7iKl8
Welcome back Tiger, stay fit man

In what way is Tiger “hateworthy” that he comes on the same page as Nadal?

And who is Fed of golf?

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Post by gallery play on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:12 am

I have to say game-wise there's not much to dislike about Woods. Tiger has all the shots and his swing is textbook stuff (when it's resetted, like it seems now). He has a very offensive style (as you can see in that clip) and comes up with shots no else does.
So he isn't really 'hateworthy', it's just that he did came across as mix of an arrogant prick and a robot. He was supercilious although it could have been a way to protect himself.

By 2006 Tiger, to me, already proved he was the goat of golf, he broke almost any record and only had to break the big one, the slam record(17) of Nicklaus. But the machine start to falter when his father died in 2006. His last great performance was when he won -litterly on one leg- the USO in 2008. Then everything fell apart, slowly but surely. In the past 10 years he underwent 4 knee surgeries and 3 back surgeries and had elbow issues, he has been crucified after he cheated his wife, his longtime caddy and friend Steve Williams left him, sponsors left him, fans left him. Along the way he tried a zillion times to come back but failed everytime, his body failed that is. He fell into a bottomless pit and reached an all time low last year as you can see in the vid Veejay posted in this thread.
So, i'd say the man has suffered enough by now. 

I stopped playing golf myself because of back issues, and i actually lost interest in watching golf the last few years. There was something missing.
There's an expression that says: you know what you're missing when it's gone. Last Thursday i watched Tiger and it all became clear: i knew what i missed when it was back.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:29 pm

gallery play wrote:I have to say game-wise there's not much to dislike about Woods. Tiger has all the shots and his swing is textbook stuff (when it's resetted, like it seems now). He has a very offensive style (as you can see in that clip) and comes up with shots no else does.

Yes, I saw that, and now I know why golfers need to be fit!

My perception of golf has always been middle aged businessmen in their funny gear in the middle of some nice countryside pretending they are playing sport.
I said so many times over the years - I am not old enough to play golf...and I'll play it when I'm 90 and can't play anything else....as my image of golf was that you don't move at all, just hit the ball and wait ten minutes for the next shot. Laugh

Could never see what the deal was about, and didn't even consider it a sport, like chess.

But that's me Big Grin

In that clip, golf actually reminded me of snooker, I didn't realise you need to negotiate trees and hit the ball from awkward positions.

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So he isn't really 'hateworthy', it's just that he did came across as mix of an arrogant prick and a robot. He was supercilious although it could have been a way to protect himself.
You're right about the robot bit. Almost like robot on steroids, a hybrid.
Mind you, those reporters around him look like hyenas. I didn't realise they stand so close when you need to hit a shot.
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By 2006 Tiger, to me, already proved he was the goat of golf, he broke almost any record and only had to break the big one, the slam record(17) of Nicklaus. But the machine start to falter when his father died in 2006. His last great performance was when he won -litterly on one leg- the USO in 2008. Then everything fell apart, slowly but surely. In the past 10 years he underwent 4 knee surgeries and 3 back surgeries and had elbow issues, he has been crucified after he cheated his wife, his longtime caddy and friend Steve Williams left him, sponsors left him, fans left him. Along the way he tried a zillion times to come back but failed everytime, his body failed that is. He fell into a bottomless pit and reached an all time low last year as you can see in the vid Veejay posted in this thread.
So, i'd say the man has suffered enough by now. 
Wow, that's tough...good on him to be such a fighter...maybe similar to Nadal in that way - all the injuries, is it due to playing style?

That's as far as my knowledge of golf goes...Rory and Wozniacki and Tiger's "private" life...
The fact that you kept mentioning it here a couple of times to a great detail (I remember you admired Rory's swing as natural and compared him to Federer)  got me curious, to see if I'm missing out on stg. Winking
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I stopped playing golf myself because of back issues, and i actually lost interest in watching golf the last few years. There was something missing.
There's an expression that says: you know what you're missing when it's gone. Last Thursday i watched Tiger and it all became clear: i knew what i missed when it was back.

Yes, I know what you mean.

But!
Funnily, I really did not miss Nole when he was out with injury last year, nor did I get excited when he got back, only a little.

He's been through a similar (if not a lot worse private...different problems all came in one go)  mill as Woods, so I am interested to see how he comes back as a wounded man.

I am enjoying all these comebacks from that human perspective.


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Post by gallery play on Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:52 pm

But!
Funnily, I really did not miss Nole when he was out with injury last year, nor did I get excited when he got back, only a little.
Yes, but he's not really back is he? Maybe if Nole 'outguts' Nadal sometime this year you'll realized you actually did miss him. Like the impact a favorite song can have when you hear it again.

good on him to be such a fighter...maybe similar to Nadal in that way - all the injuries, is it due to playing style?
I don't think you can compare Woods' playing style with Nadal. Woods is much better than that. It's his swing speed combined with his training regime from a very young age on, which did the damage. And he's bloody strong: the stronger you are, the more damage you can cause to your body. That's why 65+ y/o players can play frequently without having any physical problems. 

Rory's swing is more fluid than Tiger's but he doesn't have the mental grid to dominate the tour for long periods. Which is not unusual for the most talented ones. He's not doing that bad though, he's ranked 4th on the all times weeks at #1 list. But when i see him play, most of the time i feel like he underperforms, and that's really annoying.

Yeah, i remember your advice to hula hoop:-). i'm afraid it's not doing the trick for me. I just have to stay fit, skip golfing and then i'm fine. Thumbs Up

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:53 pm

gallery play wrote:
Yes, but he's not really back is he? Maybe if Nole 'outguts' Nadal sometime this year you'll realized you actually did miss him. Like the impact a favorite song can have when you hear it again.
Maybe...never thought Nole is my favourite song, though. Yikes

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Yeah, i remember your advice to hula hoop:-). i'm afraid it's not doing the trick for me. I just have to stay fit, skip golfing and then i'm fine. Thumbs Up

Nobody takes my hula-hoop advice seriously. Sad

But it really works!
Esp if you combine it with running, or any form of core strengthening.

Nothing too drastic...

Just imagine, you could play golf again!

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 am

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:Well well well..
2 weeks ago Tiger had a decent run at the Honda classic (F 12th), he now tied second at Valspar. He still makes more errors than he used to but there's definitly some magic back. Let's see if he can keep it together and more importantly, if his back holds

This week i drew a parallel between Nadal and Woods, the guys i love to hate. It was a bad parallel. Nadal doesn't make tennis more exiting for me, i usually switch off the TV when he plays. This in contrast with Tiger, i can't stop watching when he's on the leaderboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY3PKV7iKl8
Welcome back Tiger, stay fit man

In what way is Tiger “hateworthy” that he comes on the same page as Nadal?

And who is Fed of golf?

I don't think that's a question that could be answered with one name sadly!

Ballesteros had a certain creativity that no-one has come close to mirroring or replicating. The whole swashbuckling cavalier approach he had was a joy to behold when it was on song. His final round at the Open in 1988 was sublime. An absolute masterpiece. 

Swing wise, Greg Norman and Johnny Miller had the best swings I've seen on golfers. Norman should've won so much more. From an attacking perspective he was great to watch, but often floundered in the latter end of Majors. His meltdown at the Masters in 1996 is hard viewing. Blowing a 6 shot lead. 

Numbers, Nicklaus all day. I do wonder if some of the other events were around in his pomp, how much he would've achieved. Bear in mind the golf ranking was never around in his day, so I would bet he'd own that ranking too if it was. 

I feel for Tiger for all the flack he got and still gets in some quarters. I don't behold him as the GOAT, but large parts of his game don't quite get the recognition they deserve. His putting in his pomp was out of this world. Even if he had a 50 foot left to right breaker downhill playing on a 10ft speed green, I'd back him to make it and he would. He could hit the ball so hard he could take a wedge into Par 5's on the 2nd shot! Without a doubt took the game to new levels. It's a shame a golfer that had the talent he did burnt out so quickly. I don't wish injury on any athlete, but I do think if he stayed healthy he would've gotten 20+ Majors. No doubt.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:54 am

This Nicklaus sounds like Laver...and it looks like the Fed of golf is yet to be born.


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Post by legendkillar on Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:25 am

I hope GP can testify, but to have such controlled levels of immeasurable creativity in Golf is almost impossible I feel. Comparing say a club to a racquet is impossible because for a golfer to impart all levels of talent to a different array of clubs is asking for the divine. 

I've played with many golfers who from tee to green are fantastic, but can't putt for taffy and vice versa those who can't navigate tee to green well, but can putt fantastically. 

Ballesteros was the closest I saw to creative brilliance in terms of a less robotic stroke play in the sense he could make impossible shots possible.

Watch this video. Skip to 3:00. My favourite story of Seve's

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:24 pm

Thank, LK, I've got the idea now.

Definitely different from tennis. Golf looks more like chess, with intense moments, but quite similar to snooker in terms of dynamics.

And I can see is one game where you can definitely appreciate it a lot more if you play it, more so than others.

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Post by gallery play on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:35 pm

legendkillar wrote:I hope GP can testify, but to have such controlled levels of immeasurable creativity in Golf is almost impossible I feel. Comparing say a club to a racquet is impossible because for a golfer to impart all levels of talent to a different array of clubs is asking for the divine. 
Yes and no. The biggest differences are: golf is obviously less physical; you play the course instead of your opponant and you hit a motionless ball. But there are quite a lot similarities: both technically and mentally.
At the end of the day it's all about eye-hand coordination and finding solutions in complex situations. 
I think Federer and Woods are alike in many ways: They both are too good for everyone else when they find their A game. They have no weaknesess, play great under pressure and go for the attack every chance they get.
A big difference is that Woods would rely more often on his powergame. He has the tendency to swing at 110% in order to solve the problem. Like yesterday, when he came up short a few times because he kept on hitting 2-irons where he'd might have been better off with a 3-wood. I don't think Federer would try to hit bigger when he's  against a bigger hitting opponant: he'll try something else. 

As for Greg Norman, great swing but a little too much leg movement for my taste. It makes him look like trying real hard, in contrast with f.i. Fred Couples or Louis Oosthuizen

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Indeed. Many try taking up golf and give up early because it is a difficult sport to master. I love it because of the tranquillity and also playing on your own. Nothing will ever beat the thrill and excitement of mano a mano, but golf does get some competitive juices flowing within yourself. 

Golf is very strategic. Very methodical. Hard to completely compare with other sports. The pressure is very immense. Nothing feels worse though when you play one bad shot that wrecks your scorecard. Done that many a time at the 16th, 17th or 18th hole. 

Always remember Colin Montgomerie at the US Open in 2006. He like Mickelson and Furyk needed a par on the last hole to win. Montgomerie played a belter of a tee shot. Middle of the fairway. Wedge into the green. Hit the most horrible wedge shot I can remember. Found some ugly rough and double bogeyed. Mickelson hit his drive into trees! Furyk missed a 5 foot putt for the win! That last hole showed what pressure does to a man  Laugh Laugh Laugh

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gallery play wrote:
legendkillar wrote:I hope GP can testify, but to have such controlled levels of immeasurable creativity in Golf is almost impossible I feel. Comparing say a club to a racquet is impossible because for a golfer to impart all levels of talent to a different array of clubs is asking for the divine. 
Yes and no. The biggest differences are: golf is obviously less physical; you play the course instead of your opponant and you hit a motionless ball. But there are quite a lot similarities: both technically and mentally.
At the end of the day it's all about eye-hand coordination and finding solutions in complex situations. 
I think Federer and Woods are alike in many ways: They both are too good for everyone else when they find their A game. They have no weaknesess, play great under pressure and go for the attack every chance they get.
A big difference is that Woods would rely more often on his powergame. He has the tendency to swing at 110% in order to solve the problem. Like yesterday, when he came up short a few times because he kept on hitting 2-irons where he'd might have been better off with a 3-wood. I don't think Federer would try to hit bigger when he's  against a bigger hitting opponant: he'll try something else. 

As for Greg Norman, great swing but a little too much leg movement for my taste. It makes him look like trying real hard, in contrast with f.i. Fred Couples or Louis Oosthuizen

Indeed. 

As for Woods yesterday GP. What was he thinking at the 18th playing an Iron off the tee??? Should've gone with the 3 wood as on the 16th. Left himself a tough 185 uphill tucked in. His approach was a foot or so from being pin high. Nearly pulled it out of the bag. 

This return to form looking more promising than previous attempts. Looks like the spinal fusion surgery has worked. He'll have a good chance at Carnoustie this year.

Shinnecock Hills might be too much (finished 10+ over par last time there!)

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Post by gallery play on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:05 pm

I think he screwed it after he failed to make the birdy on 14. He had a 260 yards shot to the tee...and he took a 2-iron, which left him 20 yards short of the flag. He should have hit a high fade 3-wood.
Maybe it was his caddies mistake, i don't know.

He set the record of fastest swing speed this year: 129,2 m/ph. (see http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2018/03/11/tiger-woods-registers-pga-tours-fastest-clubhead-speed-season) 
Can you believe it? That's even out of reach for Rory or Bubba..

I hope he doesn't overdo it..Anyway, next week Bayhill is going to be very interesting, he used to own that course. It's been a long time since i've been looking foreward to watching Golf.

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:29 pm

Absolutely. He did say in an interview the confidence in finding the fairways wasn't there and hence I think for the use of irons in his tee shots. 

I did see that which shows that his game is coming back together again. If he can find that bit of magic and win Bay Hill I reckon he might tear it up again. 

Makes the Masters interesting as I'd imagine he is going to get hyped for that! 

Like you, I hope he manages a schedule that suits him. Play the Majors. Play US only events on the tour.

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Post by legendkillar on Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:10 am

So Tiger hit a fine 68 yesterday in Bay Hill. 

Sunk a monster 71 foot putt at the 7th! 

I see Tiger's resurgence has ignited viewing figures. NBC reported an 181% increase in viewership over the weekend at Valspar. 

I can see the Masters being electric this year.

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