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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 20, 2017 7:12 am

summerblues wrote:Cool.  Did not see the match but I suspect it will be hard to reproduce the result at RG over five sets.  Still, things are looking a touch more hopeful than they were yesterday.
Depends on who he plays.
I don't think Thiem's problem is fitness, though he did look tired in the second set last Sunday, but that could've been due to disappointment of losing the TB in the first set.
Sudden drop of adrenaline or stg...

Anyway...good to see him beat the "King of Clay".

Did he play any different from last Sunday?
I am mainly interested in were there many points in which Nadal was pinning him in the bh corner?

And now that you have witnessed Thiem beat Nadal on clay in straight sets, do you still think Federer would struggle to win RG had he played it?

Amazing what bursting the balloon of Nadal's "invincible aura" can do in just one week...

Though I do believe he probably tanked the match.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 20, 2017 10:08 am

From the looks of this, Thiem was deffo standing closer to the baseline on return which was good to see! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59KSW_nscaU
Can't get much further back at times.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 20, 2017 10:41 am

Wow, in that clip the court plays like a mudpit.

Nadal looked like he was tanking, not that bothered.
Thiem made the most of it as he played with the same hunger as last Sunday.

To me that was the main difference, and a perfectly good move from Nadal.
Everyone's happy. Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 1:25 pm

I expected Thiem to win cause he showed it was in his range last time around. Plus Nadal's game is always the same so if you are fit enough then Nadal's game is actually easy. The tougher part is being able to rally and Thiem certainly looks like he has the lungs. The more one plays against Nadal the more you get used to it. Even Federer started to get the better him in 2007 beating him 5 times out of 7 encounters. Problem is Fed got that virus in 2008 and more importantly did not have that powerful BH while Nadal started to play better and better.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Emancipator on Sat May 20, 2017 1:39 pm

I doubt Nadal has ever tanked a match in his life.

I watched this match - he definitely did not tank.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 2:02 pm

I am not saying he tanked. I however saw Nadal tank a couple of times at Queens.

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Post by ... on Sat May 20, 2017 2:54 pm

Emancipator wrote:I doubt Nadal has ever tanked a match in his life.

I watched this match - he definitely did not tank.

Je did, quite a few times inorder to avoid Nole.

As for yesterday, I onky saw the highlights, and in them he looked slow and safer than usual.

But if he really didn't tank...even better. Big Grin

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Post by Veejay on Sat May 20, 2017 5:17 pm

a little off topic here but what is roger and mirka federer doing at pippa middleton's wedding today?  Big Grin 
even tatler magazine on twitter seems baffled by it lol 
if any tennis player were to be invited i would have thought it would "sir" murray
i guess only wanted to invite royalty.... lol

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 20, 2017 7:14 pm

I now saw Thiem-Nadal match.  My thoughts:

1.  Thiem was much more aggressive than in Barca/Madrid.  Playing closer to the baseline and going for it more.  Glad to see this approach was more successful than passive one.

2.  That said, I doubt he will be able to reproduce this performance easily.  While it was not an all out aggression, and he retained a measure of "control", he was still hitting a lot of risky big shots that were going in.

3.  Nadal will be better at RG.  I am not saying he tanked yesterday, but I think he was missing a little more than in Madrid.  It is hard to be sure, as Thiem was presenting a different type of challenge with his aggressive approach, but I still felt that Rafa was not quite as sharp.

4.  Maybe Fed should ask for a WC for RG.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Daniel on Sat May 20, 2017 7:24 pm

Federer is 35 and needs rest. He has no hope of winning RG and it's a waste of time him entering it.

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Post by Jahu on Sat May 20, 2017 7:25 pm

Come on Thiem, wake the fuck up.

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Post by summerblues on Sat May 20, 2017 7:25 pm

Djoko looking quite solid so far.  Much more like the standard Djoko compared to how he looked last week against Rafa.

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Post by summerblues on Sat May 20, 2017 7:26 pm

Daniel wrote:Federer is 35 and needs rest. He has no hope of winning RG and it's a waste of time him entering it.
Yeah, when all is said and done, I tend to agree with you that it is better to give RG a miss.  But he would have had some hope of winning RG.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Daniel on Sat May 20, 2017 7:32 pm

Thiem is playing abysmally.  Like a club player.  Pathetic.  He'll have to sort it out.

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Post by summerblues on Sat May 20, 2017 7:39 pm

Thiem is poor, but that was quite impressive from Nole.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by luvsports! on Sat May 20, 2017 7:40 pm

Still celebrating the Rafa win?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 7:58 pm

Not watching but looks like Djoko is back!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 20, 2017 8:00 pm

Yes, Djoko looking very solid (even though Thiem is quite poor TBH).

I wonder whether that loss to Nadal woke Djokovic up.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 20, 2017 8:10 pm

Christ bagel coming

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 20, 2017 8:23 pm

Wow, just got back home ready to catch some tennis, and it's all over!!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Daniel on Sat May 20, 2017 8:27 pm

Zverev and Kyrgios are going to be king for a while... definitely not that one dimensional lightweight. Thiem just hasn't got the standard.  It was a pathetic display.

I guess people aren't going to be writing Djok off for the French Open as easily now, eh Winking

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Post by Daniel on Sat May 20, 2017 8:27 pm

Tenez wrote:Not watching but looks like Djoko is back!

You and a few here assured me that wouldn't happen....  erm
Mind you, you're judging "back" on the basis of one tournament, yet again.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by AceofDeath on Sat May 20, 2017 8:35 pm

Didn't think Thiem would be a match fixer but after today...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Emancipator on Sat May 20, 2017 8:39 pm

Not surprised. I think we all knew it was just a matter of when Djokovic finds his mojo.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Daniel wrote:
Tenez wrote:Not watching but looks like Djoko is back!

You and a few here assured me that wouldn't happen....  :-
find the post where I say Djoko will never find form again!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 9:37 pm

Emancipator wrote:Not surprised. I think we all knew it was just a matter of when Djokovic finds his mojo.

Though it probably helped to have Thiem standing 4m behind the BL. did not see the match but can easily picture it.

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Post by Jahu on Sat May 20, 2017 9:58 pm

Wtf was that? Is Djoko spending his Millions now buying kids off?

Thiem just shows up.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Jahu on Sat May 20, 2017 9:59 pm

No, Djoko is not back, keep you pants on guys  Laugh

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 10:33 pm

Just watched the highlights of Djoko Thiem. What the F**** is this loud roar from Djoko after every break of Thiem's serve???
That's ugly and let transpires such a weak mental state!

If he keeps going like that I might support Nadal against him next.

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Post by Jahu on Sat May 20, 2017 10:35 pm

Especially it was loud on first break at 2:0, 4 minutes into the match, like it was a fifth set TB and match saved.

Intimidating the little kid.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 20, 2017 10:42 pm

Agree. I really can't stand kinds of beastly self encouragements. In particular as it shows the opposite of what it wants to portray.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 21, 2017 12:08 am

Tenez wrote:If he keeps going like that I might support Nadal against him next.
Jahu, you will have competition in your Nole-dislike!  Next thing we know nitb will start rooting for Rafa vs Nole Yikes

If they play at RG, I will be holding my nose and rooting for Nole.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 8:44 am

Tenez wrote:Just watched the highlights of Djoko Thiem. What the F**** is this loud roar from Djoko after every break of Thiem's serve???
That's ugly and let transpires such a weak mental state!

If he keeps going like that I might support Nadal against him next.
I saw the highlights, too.

The yelling did raise my eyebrows a bit, as it was stg "new" and I ascribed it to venting the accumulated frustration.

All the losses, all the things that went behind the scene etc.

Yes, definitely a struggle inside.

From the meek and fearful Nole last week vs Nadal to this.

Hopefully, he'll resettle into some emotional  balance soon. Though knowing his circumstances...his father, wife, guru, brother...it's going to be tough. Hard to get out of one's skin.
He played some good tennis.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 8:49 am

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:If he keeps going like that I might support Nadal against him next.
Jahu, you will have competition in your Nole-dislike!  Next thing we know nitb will start rooting for Rafa vs Noke. Yikes

If they play at RG, I will be holding my nose and rooting for Nole.
Fear not. Laugh

Nadal is in a category of his own.

Though, my blinkers days are over. Who needs that stone around his neck!

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Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 8:50 am

Veejay wrote:a little off topic here but what is roger and mirka federer doing at pippa middleton's wedding today?  Big Grin 
even tatler magazine on twitter seems baffled by it lol 
if any tennis player were to be invited i would have thought it would "sir" murray
i guess only wanted to invite royalty.... lol
I saw that!

I think Pippa likes tennis, I don't blame her. Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Jahu on Sun May 21, 2017 8:53 am

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:If he keeps going like that I might support Nadal against him next.
Jahu, you will have competition in your Nole-dislike!  Next thing we know nitb will start rooting for Rafa vs Nole Yikes

If they play at RG, I will be holding my nose and rooting for Nole.

SB, nitb is just rooting against Djoko out of her disappointment on his performance, not that she has given up on him, don't take too much notice of her, once Djoko wakes up, nitb will be beside him  Big Grin

No worries, neither Djoko nor Nadal are winning RG  

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Jahu on Sun May 21, 2017 8:56 am

Fed getting some training on these celeb invites, once he quit tennis it will be a lot of these for him, what else is he gonna do all day, eat Barilla, drink Moet and go to parties.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by bogbrush on Sun May 21, 2017 12:57 pm

Tenez wrote:
Emancipator wrote:Not surprised. I think we all knew it was just a matter of when Djokovic finds his mojo.

Though it probably helped to have Thiem standing 4m behind the BL. did not see the match but can easily picture it.
I saw the match and once again it was about how players match up.

Thiem played as he did against Nadal, with immensely powerful, relatively flat hitting. Nadal is (always has been) intimidated by that because his power shots need time, Djokovic soaks it up because he's a counterpuncher in the style of Connors.

Theims reaction to setback was to up the ante. Not that smart.

He never comes to the net so will never discomfort Djokovic, whose passing shots are not as good as they're made out to be.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 21, 2017 4:15 pm

Zverev a set and a break up.  Very solid so far.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 21, 2017 4:17 pm

From the summary I saw BB, Thiem certainly stood way too far back to trouble Djoko and many other offensive players.

Just saw the break game of the second set.

Zverev is simply a much better version of Murray and Djoko. he can hold the rally but unlike the other 2 he can hurt too...plus he has a good serve.

A star is born! (not one I really like but its good to have new blood - to like or dislike)

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 21, 2017 4:24 pm

A bit of a cheat this Zverev, trying to convince the referee that a ball touching the line is out. If HE is was right that ball was half on the line!!!

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Post by Emancipator on Sun May 21, 2017 4:38 pm

"It's a great beginning of his professional career he had so far, and he deserves to be in the final," Djokovic said. "But I'm going to make sure he doesn't get his hands on that trophy tomorrow."

LOL. Screech

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Post by luvsports! on Sun May 21, 2017 4:45 pm

Top 10!

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 21, 2017 4:48 pm

Yes, and it is important to note that like Delpo and Nadal, Zverev is helped by a huge fitness 6'6" but moves very well for his size and that is absolutely key in having an early success.

he is going to be tough to beat in the future but there are other talented players out there.

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 21, 2017 4:52 pm

Tenez wrote:he can hold the rally but unlike the other 2 he can hurt too...plus he has a good serve.
Yes, my thinking too.  He can stay in a rally hitting deep shots again and again, but he is far better at inserting pace at will than Novak.

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Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 4:54 pm

Tenez wrote:

Zverev is simply a much better version of Murray and Djoko. he can hold the rally but unlike the other 2 he can hurt too...plus he has a good serve.
Yes, he is a taller version of Coric.
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A star is born! (not one I really like but its good to have new blood - to like or dislike)
Not my kind of star.

Bland & boring game. What has he got to show for 15 years of training...safe bashing and no flair.

I don't mind him per se, just nothing exciting there.

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Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 4:58 pm

It was interesting to watch Nole trying all sorts of things but nothing worked, plus the wind was a factor.

And again, lack of confidence kept him more cautious.

Bonus: he didn't get the chance to send "love" to the crowd!

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Post by ... on Sun May 21, 2017 4:59 pm

luvsports! wrote:Top 10!

I always think of Rublev when Zverev does something "big" . Cry

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 21, 2017 5:00 pm

... wrote:Not my kind of star.
You were for years rooting for Nole, who are you to whine?

Anyway, let's be happy Nole lost today, we can worry about Zverev when he gets to 5+ slams.

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 21, 2017 5:01 pm

... wrote:It was interesting to watch Nole trying all sorts of things but nothing worked, plus the wind was a factor.
It was interesting and heartwarming to see him lose, not much beyond that was interesting about him today.

Maybe Jahu is right and you deep down still root for him, just are too cowardly to admit it.

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