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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid
He even waxed his chest!!!
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nole is shocking, but Nadal is better than you are imagining.... wrote:Nadal is very beatable.
Nole os shocking.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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In what way is he better?summerblues wrote:Nole is shocking, but Nadal is better than you are imagining.... wrote:Nadal is very beatable.
Nole os shocking.
Still playing the same safe old game.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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I can't believe what two losers Nole is keeping in his box.
The guru won all of 3 atp matches in his "rich" career, and his pathetic brother not even that...please tell me this is a baaad dream!!!
The guru won all of 3 atp matches in his "rich" career, and his pathetic brother not even that...please tell me this is a baaad dream!!!
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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From hero to zero in 12 short months. Impressive.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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summerblues wrote:From hero to zero in 12 short months. Impressive.
I can't wait for the book.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Well he is using that style well isn't he?
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He is making far fewer errors than he was making just a couple of months ago. Also hits deeper and with more power than most of the last two years.... wrote:In what way is he better?
Still playing the same safe old game.
The safe old game won him 14 slams. He does not need to do anything much different than that; he just needs to get back to playing it the way he used to. And he is getting close to that now.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Exactly.luvsports! wrote:Well he is using that style well isn't he?
Unfortunately.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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To me he is the same, no problem for Nole of last year.summerblues wrote:He is making far fewer errors than he was making just a couple of months ago. Also hits deeper and with more power than most of the last two years.... wrote:In what way is he better?
Still playing the same safe old game.
The safe old game won him 14 slams. He does not need to do anything much different than that; he just needs to get back to playing it the way he used to. And he is getting close to that now.
You are underestimating how bad Nole is atm.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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The nature of Nole's UEs also shows he hasn't been working that hard.
All in all, definitely his most embarrassing edition.
All in all, definitely his most embarrassing edition.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Tennis is not 100m sprint, so not directly measurable which one of us is correct so I think we will have to agree to disagree. Rafa does look better to me than he did most of the last two years. I do agree that Nole of last year would still beat him.... wrote:To me he is the same, no problem for Nole of last year.
You are underestimating how bad Nole is atm.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Nadal's balls are all safe, percentage shots.
How many does he need to win a point?
No, nothing has changed, I am afraid.
Nole on the other hand, can't even return serves, spraying easy basic ground strokes.
I can't believe my eyes...
How many does he need to win a point?
No, nothing has changed, I am afraid.
Nole on the other hand, can't even return serves, spraying easy basic ground strokes.
I can't believe my eyes...
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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And here comes the break back!
See what I mean?
See what I mean?
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Finally! One good game from Nole. More of this please.
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Has he hit a first serve in the whole match!!!?
And now the double fault....like he is learning to play all over again!
And now the double fault....like he is learning to play all over again!
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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But Nadal's shots were always safe, percentage shots. In 2015-16 when he was not playing well, but also in the years when he was excellent. So just saying his shots are safe is meaningless.... wrote:Nadal's balls are all safe, percentage shots.
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summerblues wrote:But Nadal's shots were always safe, percentage shots. In 2015-16 when he was not playing well, but also in the years when he was excellent. So just saying his shots are safe is meaningless.... wrote:Nadal's balls are all safe, percentage shots.
All I am saying he is playing the same game.
Nole's one has gone down the pan.
And I still think Fed would beat Nadal today.
Look how even a scared, tragic Nole can break him.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Oh no question he is playing the same game. All I am saying is that the execution is better than it has been the last couple of years.... wrote:All I am saying he is playing the same game.
I agree Nole playing well would still beat this Rafa - quite easily probably. Nole at his best was better than Rafa at his best, and this Rafa is still not quite back to his very best.
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I am not too bothered with Nadal winning.
He's worked like a dog and is facing zero opposition.
I just can't get my head round Nole's personal tragedy and this amazing & shocking downfall.
Should be a lesson to all.
He's worked like a dog and is facing zero opposition.
I just can't get my head round Nole's personal tragedy and this amazing & shocking downfall.
Should be a lesson to all.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nole's volleys are of the super senior club level...
Why is he so scared?
Why is he so scared?
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That is just the opposite of where I stand. I am not too bothered with Nole's downfall, just can't take Rafa winning.... wrote:I am not too bothered with Nadal winning.
He's worked like a dog and is facing zero opposition.
I just can't get my head round Nole's personal tragedy and this amazing & shocking downfall.
Should be a lesson to all.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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I wonder why exactly his game collapsed so much. He is not the first one to have done it - Wilander collapsed even quicker than that - but it is hard to fathom nonetheless.
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summerblues wrote:That is just the opposite of where I stand. I am not too bothered with Nole's downfall, just can't take Rafa winning.... wrote:I am not too bothered with Nadal winning.
He's worked like a dog and is facing zero opposition.
I just can't get my head round Nole's personal tragedy and this amazing & shocking downfall.
Should be a lesson to all.
Yes, I know you are a numbers and stats man...I on the other hand am upset to see a countryman or even a fellowman fall into hands of satan.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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I think deep down, even Nadal can't believe the shell across the net.
Indeed, scary how quickly ine can self-destruct!
Indeed, scary how quickly ine can self-destruct!
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Hands of Satan? I would not wish that even on Nole. I am sure Mr. Pepe is loopy, but Satan? Also, Nole has himself to blame for keeping that kind of company.
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summerblues wrote:Hands of Satan? I would not wish that even on Nole. I am sure Mr. Pepe is loopy, but Satan? Also, Nole has himself to blame for keeping that kind of company.
Absolutely.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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How did the two of them even strike their relationship? Have they known each other long? Have they always been friends? Or is it something that just came out of nowhere?... wrote:summerblues wrote:Hands of Satan? I would not wish that even on Nole. I am sure Mr. Pepe is loopy, but Satan? Also, Nole has himself to blame for keeping that kind of company.
Absolutely.
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summerblues wrote:How did the two of them even strike their relationship? Have they known each other long? Have they always been friends? Or is it something that just came out of nowhere?... wrote:summerblues wrote:Hands of Satan? I would not wish that even on Nole. I am sure Mr. Pepe is loopy, but Satan? Also, Nole has himself to blame for keeping that kind of company.
Absolutely.
It's a long story and not a nice one at that.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Nadal's so used to losing to Nole he can't even serve the match out...e, moj Nole...
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Rafa stretching ahead in the race now/
luvsports!- Posts : 4718
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Oh well. That does not bode well for RG.
Nole and Andy totally out of form. Nishi with injury issues, Stan playing poorly too (though he can perhaps hit a purple patch again?).
And Rafa has already shown that he can easily beat the second tier (guys like Goffin or Thiem or Zverev).
Is Fed the biggest threat to Rafa at RG? I would love to see Fed beat him there, but I suspect that would be a bridge too far.
Nole and Andy totally out of form. Nishi with injury issues, Stan playing poorly too (though he can perhaps hit a purple patch again?).
And Rafa has already shown that he can easily beat the second tier (guys like Goffin or Thiem or Zverev).
Is Fed the biggest threat to Rafa at RG? I would love to see Fed beat him there, but I suspect that would be a bridge too far.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Yeah, but that is somewhat misleading. He played more than Fed, and clay court is his best surface. If Fed were to keep his form from AO/IW/Miami for the rest of the year, I would expect him to finish comfortably ahead of Rafa at YE.luvsports! wrote:Rafa stretching ahead in the race now/
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Jahu, you got your result today! Tomorrow we can both root against Rafa.
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i thin that Djokovic's dominance on the game is up,sure we could still see him win a few big titles but I don't think that even with a new coach,that he would come back and be the player to beat
just leaves me to question his success and the truth behind it
just leaves me to question his success and the truth behind it
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summerblues wrote:Jahu, you got your result today! Tomorrow we can both root against Rafa.
Hope Thiem can kick some ass, but I doubt, he is scared a little, still a mommy boy.
Good to see Djoko crushed, he should quit tennis, said tennis is not his priority anymore, don't know wtf is he doing on tour, go spend your millions, have a 3some with your love guru, anything, just stop playing.
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Cross-posting from 606v2:
This is what I get as top 12 point getters in the Euro-clay swing so far (Marrakech through today):
1. Nadal - 2100 points
2. Thiem - 990
3. Ramos Vinolas - 745
4. Pouille - 620
5. Goffin - 585
6. Zverev - 565
7. Cuevas - 540
7. Djokovic - 540
9. Cilic - 440
10. Coric - 430
11. Carreno Busta - 395
12. Murray - 360
With the exception of Rafa who dominates with ease, the field for the RG feels quite open. We often talk about seedings and how important it may be to get top 2 (or top 4, or top 8) seeding in order to avoid the high seeds, but I am not sure it will be all that important this year, as it is not at all clear that the top seeds are the most dangerous players. Luck of the draw - rather than the seeding itself - may be more important than usual.
This is what I get as top 12 point getters in the Euro-clay swing so far (Marrakech through today):
1. Nadal - 2100 points
2. Thiem - 990
3. Ramos Vinolas - 745
4. Pouille - 620
5. Goffin - 585
6. Zverev - 565
7. Cuevas - 540
7. Djokovic - 540
9. Cilic - 440
10. Coric - 430
11. Carreno Busta - 395
12. Murray - 360
With the exception of Rafa who dominates with ease, the field for the RG feels quite open. We often talk about seedings and how important it may be to get top 2 (or top 4, or top 8) seeding in order to avoid the high seeds, but I am not sure it will be all that important this year, as it is not at all clear that the top seeds are the most dangerous players. Luck of the draw - rather than the seeding itself - may be more important than usual.
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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He looked ok today. Maybe this year will be for him like 2014 was for Dimitrov - the year where he finally gets to play big players on the big stage, comes close-ish to making it, but fails and realizes he is not up to the task, and fades away thereafter.luvsports! wrote:Thieeeeemmmm
summerblues- Posts : 5068
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Yes but he is simply better at it. That's what many fail to realise.... wrote:In what way is he better?summerblues wrote:Nole is shocking, but Nadal is better than you are imagining.... wrote:Nadal is very beatable.
Nole os shocking.
Still playing the same safe old game.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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He is closer to the baseline, so his shots are zippier, that's it.
Just an updated version of the old one.
And plenty of muscle in it.
But very little control and creativity as his whole game is so mechanical.
More than ever, as now he has less time to think.
Just an updated version of the old one.
And plenty of muscle in it.
But very little control and creativity as his whole game is so mechanical.
More than ever, as now he has less time to think.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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summerblues wrote:Cross-posting from 606v2:
This is what I get as top 12 point getters in the Euro-clay swing so far (Marrakech through today):
1. Nadal - 2100 points
2. Thiem - 990
3. Ramos Vinolas - 745
4. Pouille - 620
5. Goffin - 585
6. Zverev - 565
7. Cuevas - 540
7. Djokovic - 540
9. Cilic - 440
10. Coric - 430
11. Carreno Busta - 395
12. Murray - 360
With the exception of Rafa who dominates with ease, the field for the RG feels quite open. We often talk about seedings and how important it may be to get top 2 (or top 4, or top 8) seeding in order to avoid the high seeds, but I am not sure it will be all that important this year, as it is not at all clear that the top seeds are the most dangerous players. Luck of the draw - rather than the seeding itself - may be more important than usual.
A win today would Nadal 700 points clear of Federer in the points race YTD.
He could potentially be as much as 4000 points ahead by the end of RG.
Let's say Rafa wins in Rome as well and then also RG beating Fed in the final (being pessimistic and optimistic all at once) - he would be roughly 3000 points ahead. I think that would pretty much guarantee him YE number 1 - I can't see Federer or anyone else making up that deficit if Rafa stays fit.
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Tenez wrote:Yes but he is simply better at it. That's what many fail to realise.... wrote:In what way is he better?summerblues wrote:Nole is shocking, but Nadal is better than you are imagining.... wrote:Nadal is very beatable.
Nole os shocking.
Still playing the same safe old game.
That's just pure stupidity.
Yesterday's match between the pair of them was a low quality affair. Compare that to the matches they played in 2011 and you can see the massive drop in level.
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Should Federer enter Rome as a WC?
I think he should give it serious thought. He could just use it as clay prep for RG and who knows he may be able to gain some useful points.
I think he should give it serious thought. He could just use it as clay prep for RG and who knows he may be able to gain some useful points.
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I just saw the highlights. Nole is not moving nearly as well as last year. His shots were also particularly soft.... wrote:The nature of Nole's UEs also shows he hasn't been working that hard.
All in all, definitely his most embarrassing edition.
he still had a chance to get back to 5 all playing that bad. Nole really exposes how crap Nadal is.
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From what I saw just now, Nadal is certainly no better than in the past. Same crap, efficient game on clay.... wrote:He is closer to the baseline, so his shots are zippier, that's it.
Just an updated version of the old one.
And plenty of muscle in it.
But very little control and creativity as his whole game is so mechanical.
More than ever, as now he has less time to think.
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I had not watched the game and certainly yesterday doesn't support the point. However I still maintain that Nadal on HC this year is better.TMF wrote:Tenez wrote:Yes but he is simply better at it. That's what many fail to realise.... wrote:In what way is he better?summerblues wrote:Nole is shocking, but Nadal is better than you are imagining.... wrote:Nadal is very beatable.
Nole os shocking.
Still playing the same safe old game.
That's just pure stupidity.
Yesterday's match between the pair of them was a low quality affair. Compare that to the matches they played in 2011 and you can see the massive drop in level.
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There is no such thing as "useful points" at this stage in his career. There are only "useful grand slam titles". He should see how RG goes and he should work hard to try to win W or USO. If he gets to #1 in the process, so much the better, but he should waste exactly zero extra effort towards that.TMF wrote:Should Federer enter Rome as a WC?
I think he should give it serious thought. He could just use it as clay prep for RG and who knows he may be able to gain some useful points.
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Good luck to Thiem today. I doubt he has much chance, but let's see. Maybe he has learned something from Barcelona.
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Maybe let me dial that back a little. He should not waste any time thinking about #1 until after the USO. If, after the USO, he is still in with a chance, then he can think about what, if anything, he wants to do to specifically chase #1. But we are getting well ahead of ourselves. He is 36 and an injury can be round the corner any moment. So I will just take it one tourney at a time for now.summerblues wrote:There is no such thing as "useful points" at this stage in his career. There are only "useful grand slam titles". He should see how RG goes and he should work hard to try to win W or USO. If he gets to #1 in the process, so much the better, but he should waste exactly zero extra effort towards that.TMF wrote:Should Federer enter Rome as a WC?
I think he should give it serious thought. He could just use it as clay prep for RG and who knows he may be able to gain some useful points.
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