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Novak Djokovic - the AntiFed (GP - Help!)

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:42 pm

Came across this article about Nole in Duch, but it's all Spanish to me

I get the gist, but can you please throw some more light on the article and perhaps give any idea why this journalist had to have a dig at Novak?

She was obviously swept away with the Davis Cup atmosphere in Netherlands at the weekend, but why pull Novak out of nowhere just to talk Roger up?

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/5009/Archief/archief/article/detail/3275815/2012/06/23/Toen-viel-Djokovic-stil.dhtml

I gather she is a Federer fan, so you'd be able to sympathise. Is this a general opinion of him in Holland, or just a one-off leftie rant?

This is google translation:

Nicole Lucas a historian, Balkans Specialist and head of the new department of Allegiance. She twitters via @ Wedding Lucas.

He has an incredible forehand lost from the final position smashed, and his fourth Grand Slam title in the virtual reality. He has a big smile, wearing a cap of the New York fire department, received the trophy taken. He has spoken to dozens of journalists and he has celebrated. But if Novak Djokovic few days after his victory in the U.S. Open in Belgrade arrives, he is especially very tired.

He was at the Davis Cup against Argentina will act as a spectator, it seems a foregone conclusion. Serbia until after the first day in a hopeless disadvantage afterwards. The euphoria among his fans changed instantly. On the Internet gives rise to a heated debate.

In Serbian angle is the enormous indignation: "Where are you now? Show you a patriot! Are we sometimes not worth playing?"

His 'international' fans react furiously. "He
did for you last year won the Davis Cup. He is not only of Serbia, he
is one of us. And we want that he saves. There are more important to win
matches."

Eventually everyone pulls the short straw; Djokovic plays anyway, gets injured and loses - and Serbia is out. The
rest of the season he seems little on the tennis player who earlier
that year a furore, though he ends in 2011 or as number 1 in the world.

This story is about tennis. But it's not about who has the best backhand volleys or the deadliest strikes.

I'm not a sports reporter, not a tennis expert. But after years report having done the Balkans, I am very aware of the role of nationality. Of safety, ease of the simple fact that as a resident of one country are born. Whether the burden that can bring, yes, the prison that it can be. In daily practice and by the stories about you doing the rounds.

This story is about Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer. Who is the best, I'm not going to debate that. Sports stars are in my eyes both. A hero, writes the American journalism professor Jack Lule in his book "Daily News, Eternal Stories. The mythological role of journalism, is unobtrusive origin, as most of us are. But unlike the average man, he has a tremendous urge a certain goal. The way there is full of obstacles and setbacks, all of which he overcomes. He shows that hard work, kindness and sacrifice sense. He makes society better.

Stories with Federer (he is almost 31) in the main have been around longer, the past year was that of Djokovic (25) there. But
the structure of the story is very different, not least because the
meaning assigned to it by their nationality - and the history of the
country where they come from - is granted.

The
history of Roger Federer is the story of himself, a boy from Basel who
is fascinated by a ball and has a huge talent for tennis. Of a boy homesick at the tennis boarding school, but who shakes it. Of
a boy who initially often misbehave when he loses (and evening to cry,
as he admitted recently), but also it himself to attention.

It is the story of someone with tremendous discipline and perseverance.

It's also a bit of a lone history. There are not many other people figure prominently in his rise to the top. Not his parents, not a sports teacher who took him under his wing, not his wife, not his children. (Unlike
Kim, who reportedly is not such a great comeback could do without her
daughter, her a different outlook on life gave. But maybe that's just
sexism.)

Federer, so you get the impression, and can do it yourself. He takes all the motivation from himself, he has no pressure or encouragement from outside needed.

Stories about him little about his background. They
go about his extraordinary successes, in which the records are strung
together, even if you think there is nothing to beat falls. And they go about the character that it is attributed.

Exceptionally talented he is, but nevertheless chivalrous, controlled, modest and well mannered. Even if he is not, is he anyway. "Roger
Federer falls out of his role," headlined the AD after the
quarterfinals at Roland Garros, where Federer squandered the first sets.
He played poorly, was emotional, misbehaved even to the public. Fortunately the Swiss recovered himself just in time. In the words of a Times reporter: "He was another of his reputation. He fell back along with himself."

He is a Swiss. But does it matter? Yes, if he is a "cool Swiss' is called maybe. But there are not many people who do not like him because of the simple fact that he comes from Switzerland.

Who
can object to a country that mainly associations with discipline,
control, efficiency, elegance, neutrality, in a word, civilization? Moreover, it is not Federer in a nutshell?

The GOAT - or Greatest of All Times is an icon. Typically a photo after his victory at the traditional tournament that will conclude the season, late last year in London. He is depicted with an almost dreamy smile, trophy in hand, while many luminous papers fluttering down. By blurring the image gets slightly surreal.

Federer seems, in other words, almost out of this world. He is actually detached from his nationality.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:02 pm

Novak on the verge of signing up for IMG. Very interesting. I supppose it's good news

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Post by gallery play on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:44 pm

Hi NiTB. I haven't read the google translation so i can't relate to your interpretation.

First of all: the article is from june 26 this year so not written after the Davis Cup last weekend.
Second: It's definitly not an anti Djoko article. The writer (not a tennis pundit) explains the difference between Federer and Djoko, and she's neutral, don't think she likes tennis anyway

The article is about nationality and how it affects ones popularity.

This is how she sees it: Federer basically HAS no background because it's not relevant. He has a nationality but who cares? He lifted himself above nationality, on one hand because he always got motivation from inside HIM and nothing else on the other hand because he's from neutral Switzerland. "Neutral Switzerland". That helped him too to become a "universal" as he is.
Djoko...completely different. Noone can see Djoko apart from his nationality. Djoko's popularity suffers from being a Serb (worldwide considered as the bad guys). And in the past he did underlined his nationality a little too much perhaps..

That's in a nutshell what the writer means. I actually see it as a pro Djoko article.
It's funny you came up with it because it frustrates you he's not as popular, well, here is an explanation, not necessary THE explanation imo, like i said; she completely ignores the game of Djoko and Fed.

My advise to you is: cherish the fact you found passion for an outcast who wins so friggin often, that's fun! Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:50 pm

Well, I've done all the ignoring for years, and I've just kind of had enough.
Why pick on him?
Because he is a nowhere man from a nowhere land?

Why him, why not Nadal, he too is a symbol of Spain and holds Davis Cup dearly.
So safe and easy to pick on good, old Nole, the Djoker, innit?
I wish he just stopped bothering trying to please the media and do a Lendl....that's my gripe!

Dull Yanks just don't deserve his charm.

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Post by laverfan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:25 am

noleisthebest wrote:Novak on the verge of signing up for IMG. Very interesting. I supppose it's good news

Tony Godsick left IMG, as has Federer. I am very surprised at this move. Who has been agent for Djokovic till now?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-01/roger-federer-agent-godsick-leaving-management-company-img (from the vast unreliable Web on the Internet).

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:59 pm

laverfan wrote:. Who has been agent for Djokovic till now?

.

from NY Post

"Tennis champion Novak Djokovic is poised to sign with
IMG after dropping CAA Sports, which has represented him for four years.
Sources tell us that Djokovic has been in serious talks with IMG, which
has negotiated huge endorsement deals for fellow players Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer. Djokovic is also being independently advised by billionaire Ron Burkle,
but sources said, “Ron advises him on a friendly basis, while the
situation on representation is between CAA and IMG.” Djokovic was
recently quoted by SportsBusiness Journal’s Daniel Kaplan
as saying, “I have had a contract with [CAA] I think for four years . .
. I tried to work it out, and it was successful, but I think I needed
to move on.” His rep didn’t get back to us."

I don't follow this side of "tennis", but since sponsors seem to be heavily influencing actual tennis decision-making bodies, it may be interesting to see if anything changes about Novak.
In my opinion, it has gone over the top with how much players allow themselves to get controlled and told what to say and what not to say, they are all PR-ed to death and becoming increasingly bland compared to earlier eras.

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Post by laverfan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:04 pm

http://www.imgworld.com/services/talent-representation/tennis.aspx

Federer and Godsick clearly wanted to stay away from IMG for a reason. Winking

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:12 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I wish he just stopped bothering trying to please the media and do a Lendl....that's my gripe!


Yes I liked Lendl. And more so the fact not many liked him. However financially it's not the good approach. They need to sell racquets and shirts. That's where most of the money is....but then if it's not natural you may turn into a "media w*ore" which can make it worse.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:46 pm

BTW nitb: you have only translated half of the article. The second part is mainly about Djoko. Perhaps if you read that part too you'll understand it's not a anti Djoko article.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:49 pm

Here you go:

Federer seems, in other words, almost out of this world. He is actually detached from his nationality.

That's the last thing you Novak okovi ¿¿can say. A story about Djokovic's a story about his background, signed by the birth of his bad reputation. This country is so fur made in 1999 for three months by NATO under fire - Novak Djokovic was twelve.

They occupy a prominent place in that bombing. Each portrait tells how the family Djokovic between the bombs continued to play tennis, to survive, to stay sane. The emphasis is often so strong that you sometimes wonder: would he be without those bombings have come this far?

Aptly was a cartoon in the newspaper Blic Serbian earlier this year, shortly after Djokovic in 60 Minutes "of the U.S. television network CBS had appeared. It shows how the tennis visiting the basement of his grandfather's apartment in Belgrade where his family during the NATO attacks sought shelter.

The interviewer does hardly anything to ask.

That bombing, says Djokovic, "has made us stronger."

In the cartoon react Bill and Hilary Clinton, sitting before the television, on that note with a grumpy "And he did not even thank us."

The persistence of Djokovic, at the time, and the performance that he has already delivered, making the Serb hero. But the reasons that perseverance was needed, provided heroism also a nasty edge.

Of course it was Djokovic too young to really know what was going on or even being involved in the war, told a famous American tennis reporter me, but it is a fact that many Serbian politicians justly accused of war crimes during the Bosnian war.

Djokovic may be, he argued, like eg peer Ana Ivanovic, have been victims of the NATO bombing, it was still largely Serbia itself that was itself called by the refusal of the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo to stop.

It makes the tone in which there about this Serbian fighter is written often ambivalent. At least, the suggestion, he comes from an uncivilized part of the world, with parents and supporters who do not know how to behave by at the wrong time to cheer and neat tennis a football stadium to make.

And otherwise suggest the photos though, which he is depicted with clenched fists, his face contorted in a scream, ugly and aggressive.

Anything but subtle, the Volkskrant journalist who this month Djokovic still "his bony skull, his hooked nose and his black hair" appearance (and behavior) ascribed a vulture. And then a psychiatrist came up that claimed that Djokovic tennis has pledged his heart to others because he wants to dominate.

Djokovic is acutely aware of this ambivalence. Last spring, the sportsman ('The most dominant athlete on the planet ") during the Serbia Open, international tennis tournament in Belgrade, followed by Scott Price, a journalist from the American Sports Illustrated.

"In a week when a parade of Fellini-like figures comes that even the most seasoned New York bouncer of his piece would bring, without Djokovic verblikt or verbloost" writes Price, there is only one moment when the tennis player 'visibly stiffens.

This happens in a big tent, on a Monday in April during a news conference shortly after Djokovic out of the hands of the Minister of Foreign Affairs has received a diplomatic passport.

Then said a Dutch journalist: "It's a lot easier, for example, Switzerland to represent than Serbia. How do you see that?"

Dutch journalist who I was. There was only room for a question and any questions I had thought this was the one I had set.

It was an inevitable question, a logical too. But a very uncomfortable, given the assumptions that underlie them. One which no innocent answer was possible. It was a question of fact which the answer soon provokes a judgment not Djokovic-as-tennis, but Djokovic as 'good' or 'bad'. It's the kind of question that Federer does not have to be afraid.

Djokovic was taken aback, signaled my colleague from Sports Illustrated, he hesitated, trying to gain time by saying: "Can you repeat the question?" The tennis frutselde to the microphone, and finally said, "That's not an easy question. And there is no easy answer to that."

In an interview later that year he lets loose more about the responsibility that nationality entails. Then he speaks out against a reporter from Der Spiegel who follows him during that fatal-Davis Cup weekend.

He says, if the weather is about the spring of 1999 is: "The war made me a better person because I learned to appreciate things and if nothing for granted." And: "It made me a better tennis player because I myself holy purposed that I wanted to show the world that there are good Serbs."

What a burden. For what it is: a good Serb? About There is in neither the country nor beyond compliance. Definitions and expectations have been more than once in conflict. See the fierce debate about whether or not to participate in the Davis Cup, which this story began.

Harder still in the political discussions that Serbia, not only because of the war history, still evokes. Which more than once a position Djokovic is expected. Think about the arrest of Ratko Mladic and the Kosovo issue.

Many Serbs enslave themselves to the performance of their compatriot. After years only to be associated with people who for the Hague ICTY had to appear, the tennis player in the first years Seviërs once in a positive light insert, yields a compliment.

Even politicians gladly pick a piece of that. Not for nothing Sat Boris Tadic - then President - in the stands at Wimbledon, Djokovic was nearly a year ago, his childhood dream was to win.

Because Tadic as reformist and pro-Western known, were at his coming few words soiled. But what if one of the following days Tomislav Nikolic join a match Djokovic shows, the new president who is so bad on paper sized passable, but because of his previous ties to both Slobodan Milosevic in the Hague stuck Vojislav Seselj evokes suspicion?

The image of Swiss neutrality is not cause Federer in a political context. The recent history of Serbia Djokovic shows that freedom. On some very unexpected ways.

So grab noisy American fans often their support to their dislike of President Obama and his Democratic predecessors to express. The NATO bombing (there they are again) that their idol so difficult have made, will host a grateful excuse.

No, Roger Federer was not phenomenal tennis player, because he had as Swiss but easy. And Djokovic terms of game, but what concerns popularity Federer can not keep up, is not an anti-Serb conspiracy. (Indeed, he let himself go in the finals of Roland Garros and hit a broken racket.) But also in an international sport like tennis nationality is not negligible given. The people who know that there is much money to be made to realize that athletes like no other. What sponsorship revenues Djokovic has, despite its No. 1 position, still one street behind the number 3 (as well as the number 2, the Spaniard Rafael Nadal).

That is, as is often heard, because Djokovic himself often - too often - insists he come from Serbia.

Perhaps that's why he recently in another outfit on the box. Pants and shirts from the last tournament in which the colors of the Serbian flag prominently had been replaced by a more neutral outfit.

"Uniqlo" hot new clothing sponsor, from Japan. Made via twitter @ DjokerNole (almost a million followers) announced the move: "It's official people - as of today I am a Samurai: -)."

Because yes, a fighter he stays course.

Novak Djokovic in Cannes, during a fashion gala fundraiser for Japanese tsunami victims.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:04 pm

gallery play wrote:BTW nitb: you have only translated half of the article. The second part is mainly about Djoko. Perhaps if you read that part too you'll understand it's not a anti Djoko article.

Thanks a lot GP!

It was hard to get the nuances with google translation, still it manages to make a gritty read to say the least.
At best, the journalist will have said the same as I did in my poem but with a lot more words and the biased, black and white TV knowledge of history.

If I was to write a pro-Novak article it would be very different. This comes across as a lazy but highly ambitious attempt. Unfortunately, didn't pass this shark

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Post by laverfan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:55 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I wish he just stopped bothering trying to please the media and do a Lendl....that's my gripe!

... and earn the tag of 'dour' or 'sour-face' like Murray has since he has been doing a 'Lendl' for several years. Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:00 pm

Murray is not worthy to polish Lendl's boots, LF. Hopefully some of that grit and boldness may rub off.

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Post by laverfan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:13 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Murray is not worthy to polish Lendl's boots, LF. Hopefully some of that grit and boldness may rub off.

Is that why Lendl decided to coach Murray, to make Murray worthy of polishing his [Lendl's] boots? Laugh

Very surprised at this reaction!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:19 pm

laverfan wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray is not worthy to polish Lendl's boots, LF. Hopefully some of that grit and boldness may rub off.

Is that why Lendl decided to coach Murray, to make Murray worthy of polishing his [Lendl's] boots?

Very surprised at this reaction!

Try to imagine Lendl wanting to hire Murray to teach him anything....

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Post by laverfan on Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:52 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
laverfan wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray is not worthy to polish Lendl's boots, LF. Hopefully some of that grit and boldness may rub off.

Is that why Lendl decided to coach Murray, to make Murray worthy of polishing his [Lendl's] boots?

Very surprised at this reaction!

Try to imagine Lendl wanting to hire Murray to teach him anything....

Either Lendl is financially in need to decide to come out and coach Murray, without any prior coaching experience, or, as he states, he [Lendl] loves a challenge. In either case, Lendl chose to coach Murray, while many other coaches, with prior experience were available.

Murray could teach the entire British tennis professional community quite a few things, including a few tips about Tennis. Winking

It is a sad commentary that a player who brought a Mens Slam trophy to UK after 76 years is considered unfit to polish Lendl's boots.

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Post by laverfan on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:54 pm

Q. One last request. To someone who has never heard of you before: how would you describe Novak Djokovic to them?

A. Actually it’s a bit uncomfortable describing myself... but OK. His bad side? He’s sometimes jealous. And sometimes a little too emotional. The good side: He’s a communicative person. Full of energy, full of life. He openly shows his soul to the world. And he’s responsible... and kind.

Very apt summation. Perhaps a bit too demonstrative for my personal taste, but it takes all kinds to make the world go round.

http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Article/Novak-Djokovic-021243227387579 (Very unreliable internet resource - Thanks HE@606v2).

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