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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:25 am

Nadal over excited to win a match against a very poor Kholi.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:36 am

Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:This match is just about whether Kohlschreiber misses. Nadal is just watching with the rest of us.

Federer has started this, Nadal will find others fancy giving this a go too. He's lucky that Kohli lacks the standard to follow through.

Dustin Brown did it twice. Rosol did it. Darcis did it.  A long time before Federer did it.
The Brown / Rosol matches are easily dismissed as one-offs, Federer has shown there is a viable tactic. I doubt Kholschreiber was as inspired by the Rosol match as by two recent high profile demonstrations. If he was he's taken a few years to try it out on court.

Darcis didn't do this, that match was very different.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:13 am

Kohli as usual, dissapointing all his career.

Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:17 am

I am not sure Fed will win tonight. I don't think he wants to break a leg for it. He will be happy with a rest.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:18 am

When were you sure? Never Winking

Fed wants/needs this 1000 points, then rest a little for clay.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:41 pm

Yeah, if I were Fed I'd give this my best to see what points I can get and then lay up prior to Madrid / Rome, then a play at RG.

Then it gets serious.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:43 pm

True, lets say with current form, Fed can reach some SF/F on clay tournies, a then some RG, Halle, W.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:05 pm

Jahu wrote:True, lets say with current form, Fed can reach some SF/F on clay tournies, a then some RG, Halle, W.
You're a slave driver, aren't you!?

We want Fed that will be around for another 2-3 years..and that is only possible if he does not burn himself out.

Number one is very tempting and I'd love him to get it again but not at the expense of a long career.

If it happens - happens...he's really got nothing to prove.


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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:07 pm

Tenez wrote:I am not sure Fed will win tonight. I don't think he wants to break a leg for it. He will be happy with a rest.

I think so, too. He did not play full on vs Tifaoe.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:51 pm

bogbrush wrote:Yeah, if I were Fed I'd give this my best to see what points I can get and then lay up prior to Madrid / Rome, then a play at RG.

Then it gets serious.
I honestly don't think he cares about points. he knows world number 1 is out of his reach...until he sees how the other 3 road runners are faring. he doesn't like the surface either, it's slow and gruelling, bad for the joints and muscles. .

If I were him, I'd rather play a serious clay season.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:19 pm

I suppose I just dread the thought of him getting into 4 hours clay slugfests with Spanish/Argentinian/Swedish teenagers (those of us of a few more years remember when obscure teenagers who we'd never heard of suddenly become threats to top 5 players simply because they could play forever despite lacking any discernable attacking shots whatsoever, so forgive the licence). At least in Miami he can end the rally one way or another reasonable promptly.

The absence of the aforementioned roadrunners, or at least two of them, also presents an opportunity. Get on and win some matches in 80 minutes and pick up 1000 points, or get beaten. Now he's there it seems rude not to.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:37 pm

I know clay can be a slugfest surface and has been for him for years. Clay is the reason why Nadal won it 9 times and Fed only once. And my view would be no different if still he had that tiny old racquet.

I just think that clay can be a good attacking surface too. Being slippery makes teh moving tricky. Hence why Murray and Djoko have struggled there compared to slow HC. Nadal is the exception cause his top spin buys him time to compensate for the slippery surface.

However on blue clay that topspin was not enough to make up for that extra skidding. With Roger's more powerful shots from both wings he may be able to expose that mouvement while not hurting his joins and muscles nearly as much. fed has won quite a few one sided sets on clay. Often being a set up or at least a break up.....just to surrender it after a few long rallies and more so as the match extends. Now that coudl change dramatically with a powerful BH. I could see him do a Soderling...without having to burn much energy. Look at his first set v Nadal in FO 2006 and 7 or even FO 2011. I do feel that he woudl not have lost any of those matches with his bigger frame cause Nadal woudl have tired before him. Very different from having a soft BH Nadal was too happy to exploit to sent fed to all corners of the court. A weakness becoming a weapon, changes everything.

I am not too concerned about Fed's stamina. I am more concerned about his muscles and joints wear and tears which are certainly more of a pain on HC than clay.

Anyway we will find out soon what he prefers.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Emancipator on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:03 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:This match is just about whether Kohlschreiber misses. Nadal is just watching with the rest of us.

Federer has started this, Nadal will find others fancy giving this a go too. He's lucky that Kohli lacks the standard to follow through.

Dustin Brown did it twice. Rosol did it. Darcis did it.  A long time before Federer did it.
The Brown / Rosol matches are easily dismissed as one-offs, Federer has shown there is a viable tactic. I doubt Kholschreiber was as inspired by the Rosol match as by two recent high profile demonstrations. If he was he's taken a few years to try it out on court.

Darcis didn't do this, that match was very different.

Djokovic was the first to do it consistently. Hit hard to the FH and open up the BH side for winners. That seems to be the tactic. Djokovic of course has probably the best BH on tour - it's such a good and consistent shot that it can go toe to toe with Nadal's FH and come out on top. I have my doubts that the Federer BH will hold up against Nadal's FH on this court and particularly on clay - but we shall see.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Emancipator on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:04 pm

If Nadal wins Miami - and he's got a clear run to the semi's at least - then I think he is likely to claim the number 1 ranking at some point.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:05 pm

Plus I now that those RRunners are hitting 30.....any 5 setter along the way will affect them down the line more than 2 or 3 years ago. So that will add pressure on them on having short 5 setters.

Fed was actually the fresher at the AO (certainly helped by the extra day). But if he was "injured" as he says he was, it is fair to say that this AO woudl have been a clear 3 setters had he been healthy.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:54 pm

TMF wrote:If Nadal wins Miami - and he's got a clear run to the semi's at least - then I think he is likely to claim the number 1 ranking at some point.

That's based on one tournament? Not a chance.  It's unlikely he will win the FO as well - despite what some here think.  He isn't Nadal of yesteryear.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:34 pm

TMF wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:This match is just about whether Kohlschreiber misses. Nadal is just watching with the rest of us.

Federer has started this, Nadal will find others fancy giving this a go too. He's lucky that Kohli lacks the standard to follow through.

Dustin Brown did it twice. Rosol did it. Darcis did it.  A long time before Federer did it.
The Brown / Rosol matches are easily dismissed as one-offs, Federer has shown there is a viable tactic. I doubt Kholschreiber was as inspired by the Rosol match as by two recent high profile demonstrations. If he was he's taken a few years to try it out on court.

Darcis didn't do this, that match was very different.

Djokovic was the first to do it consistently. Hit hard to the FH and open up the BH side for winners. That seems to be the tactic. Djokovic of course has probably the best BH on tour - it's such a good and consistent shot that it can go toe to toe with Nadal's FH and come out on top. I have my doubts that the Federer BH will hold up against Nadal's FH on this court and particularly on clay - but we shall see.
Certainly Djokovic was the guy to show that attacking the forehand was a tactic, especially while Nadal camped out on the backhand. Those angled backhands Federer did in Australia were reminiscent of what Djokovic was doing routinely.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by luvsports! on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Best defensive backhand sure, but not best attacking backhand, not by a long shot.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:10 pm

Delpo won the toss and elected to receive.

Enough said!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:25 pm

To me Fed looks like he doesn;t want to rally at any cost. Win or lose....you won;t see a point over 5 ralllies.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:29 pm

Yes, he is playing on his own terms.

Great first game with some fantastic FHs.

Delpo trying to slow him down.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:50 pm

Llayani has always been annoying with his "I am a celebrity listen to me" dramatic announcing, but today he is extra annoying! Angry

Having said that, great hold from Fed for the first set. On his terms. Bubbly

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:12 pm

Looks like I was wrong. Fed wants to win that one.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:33 pm

Jahu wrote:
Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

Am I the biggest tennis expert in this forum or what?  Laugh

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:34 pm

Del Boy again goes out early but to a top player.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:34 pm

Jahu wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

Am I the biggest tennis expert in this forum or what?  Laugh
What? Winking

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:35 pm

Jahu wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

Am I the biggest tennis expert in this forum or what?  Laugh

yep! A close call between you and Daniel!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:36 pm

Tenez wrote:Looks like I was wrong. Fed wants to win that one.

He is having too much fun with this racquet not to give his best effort.

Also Delpo moved like a tree today, bh pretty average, so why not?

I looked at the draw, only gutty looking gritty in that half.

Anyway, I enjoyed myself! diva

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:42 pm

Ok bearing in mind Delpos power (guess he is back on 80% of his best?) was a ok performance.

Fed shanked quite a lot, but not bad straight from IW and on tour for last 3+ weeks smiley

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:43 pm

Oh brilliant!!!
Mannarino beat Coric.


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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:45 pm

I must say, another Federer / Nadal match is starting to look quite possible.

They're like busses; you wait for years without one and then they all come in a bunch.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:54 pm

bogbrush wrote:I must say, another Federer / Nadal match is starting to look quite possible.

They're like busses; you wait for years without one and then they all come in a bunch.

At this rate Fed might fix his H2H v Nadal! I wonder what David Laws thinks about it. Winking

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:00 pm

... wrote:
Tenez wrote:Looks like I was wrong. Fed wants to win that one.

He is having too much fun with this racquet not to give his best effort.

Also Delpo moved like a tree today, bh pretty average, so why not?

I looked at the draw, only gutty looking gritty in that half.

Anyway, I enjoyed myself! diva

yes delpo had his left wrist re-taped during the match. I don't think he is still 100% though he played in that first set.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:03 pm

Delpo at level to beat current Djoko and Nadal, with Andy a little tougher.

Fed, Stan's level, not yet.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:40 pm

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:I must say, another Federer / Nadal match is starting to look quite possible.

They're like busses; you wait for years without one and then they all come in a bunch.

At this rate Fed might fix his H2H v Nadal! I wonder what David Laws thinks about it. Winking
I must find out what he says, apparently I now agree with everything David says Winking

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:06 am

So the race for ranking #4 next week is on with Federer leading, then Nadal and Nishi.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:57 am

Nadal looks nailed on for the final, Nishikori doesn't do so much if the thing that troubles him. 

The top half is very tough, though Stan gets the worst of it and Federer most likely gets to play whoever survives.

It's interesting to think that once we pass Wimbledon Federer & Nadal are just adding points. Despite being beaten twice by Federer, Nadal is having a great start and is #2 in the race. Unless the guys above wake up the ranking could end up looking like 2007, not 2017.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:23 am

yes weird....the road ahead is still long though!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:52 am

Nishikori can certainly beat this Nadal. And he won their last match. Nadal is definitely not "nailed on", especially given Nadal's age and off-days that will occur too.

I wouldn't write him off like that - although he is a mental midget like most others, yeah.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Emancipator on Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:52 pm

Tenez wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

Am I the biggest tennis expert in this forum or what?  Laugh

yep! A close call between you and Daniel!


Ooh, that was a low blow.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Emancipator on Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:58 pm

The clay season is gonna be huge.

Murray and Djokovic need to re-establish themselves - a poor clay season for Djokovic will see him plummet and for Murray, despite not having too many clay points to defend, he will need to repeat his miraculous (and very serendipitous) post FO run from last year to stay in the top 2 spots ranking wise.

Nadal and Wawrinka can make a run for number one if they have strong clay court seasons given that Roger is unlikely (I think) to play more than 2 events on the clay.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:27 pm

Really, the journey downwards for Murray begins immediately after Monte Carlo. After that 2016 was all  finals & wins, even on clay.

Djokovic has a lot more to go at of course.

Neither can afford another blow out Slam and be #1  I suspect, unless both do so and we end up with a 7000 point #1.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:04 pm

Turning to tonight......

Can't see Nadal or Federer really being threatened. Sets can be dropped of course but unlikely that either loses. Stan /Zverev might be good, except those were three tough sets for the lad last night.

I don't see Goffin troubling Kyrgios, and Berdbrain should get through (unless the thinks about the prospect of playing Federer).

I hope Sock wins.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:52 pm

TMF wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Jahu wrote:
Fed to dish a couple of quick sets lessons to Delpo today.

Am I the biggest tennis expert in this forum or what?  Laugh

yep! A close call between you and Daniel!


Ooh, that was a low blow.

The difference is I don't claim to be a tennis expert.  No-one here is.  Although a few of you, especially Tenez, think they are. I do win a lot more money at the bookies than  Tenez does though.  They roll out the red mat when they see him coming.

A good example of this is the fawning over of Nadal that is currently doing the rounds.  Everyone giving him a great chance of winning FO, when the reality is it's maybe 1 in 4.  I don't think he will. But Tenez has already probably put his house on it.  Get in contact with some family, Tenez.  You;re gonna be dossing on them soon haha.  Angry


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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by luvsports! on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:54 pm

Nishi needs 3 sets again, this time beating Delbonis. Not sure he will beat anyone good.
Sock and Fognini also through.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:54 pm

If Nadal meets Nishi, Nishi will give him a good run for his money.  And then probably lose as usual.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:04 pm

Once again, Mahut just there to make up the numbers.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:39 pm

Federer looking sloppy.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:22 pm

Still very sub-par despite being a set & a break up.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Veejay on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:48 pm

bogbrush wrote:Still very sub-par despite being a set & a break up.
he isnt up a break in the second set,he nearly broke but didnt

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