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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:50 pm

Zverev is definitely the real deal. What a player he is going to be.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:12 am

Veejay wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Still very sub-par despite being a set & a break up.
he isnt up a break in the second set,he nearly broke but didnt
He was, he went 1-0 up then dropped it back straight away.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Veejay on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:21 am

wawrinka given quite a spanking

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:22 am

Did not see anything tonight except the second TB of fed/Gut. Good TB from fed showing aggressivity but he looked really tired to me. He needs a day rest!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:24 am

Daniel wrote:
The difference is I don't claim to be a tennis expert.  No-one here is.  Although a few of you, especially Tenez, think they are. I do win a lot more money at the bookies than  Tenez does though.  They roll out the red mat when they see him coming.

A good example of this is the fawning over of Nadal that is currently doing the rounds.  Everyone giving him a great chance of winning FO, when the reality is it's maybe 1 in 4.  I don't think he will. But Tenez has already probably put his house on it.  Get in contact with some family, Tenez.  You;re gonna be dossing on them soon haha.  Angry

So you make money betting on tennis? Interesting! And who do you bet for? Those 25/26yos? Or are you betting on the 30+ who win everything nowdays?

You are not making money on Tenez's tips are you?

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:00 am

Veejay wrote:wawrinka given quite a spanking
Stan was waiting to get out of this American HC season. He looked exasperated last week at IW and now this back-2-back TMS is too much for him to take.

He is not someone who can keep focus physically and mentally day in day out tournaments after tournaments. Its not his natural thing. 

He needs breaks. By the 3rd set, he looked hardly interested.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:49 am

Tenez wrote:Did not see anything tonight except the second TB of fed/Gut. Good TB from fed showing aggressivity but he looked really tired to me. He needs a day rest!
I watched it, he was well below standard. Then again, B-A was very good and hit a reliable hard ball and was excellent mentally. 

The points tally - 93 to 77 - normally suggest a spanking so it was an odd match of frustration and many missed opportunities at 30-30, 20% by conversion, that sort of thing.

There were also only 49% first serves.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Veejay on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:22 am

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:Did not see anything tonight except the second TB of fed/Gut. Good TB from fed showing aggressivity but he looked really tired to me. He needs a day rest!
I watched it, he was well below standard. Then again, B-A was very good and hit a reliable hard ball and was excellent mentally. 

The points tally - 93 to 77 - normally suggest a spanking so it was an odd match of frustration and many missed opportunities at 30-30, 20% by conversion, that sort of thing.

There were also only 49% first serves.
i reckon that federer struggles with the humidity in miami
he has only ever won the event twice and every time i have seen him play there,he looks drained and mentally fried
its also the only tournament i have ever seen him sweat profusely

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:23 am

Tenez wrote:Did not see anything tonight except the second TB of fed/Gut. Good TB from fed showing aggressivity but he looked really tired to me. He needs a day rest!

I saw the whole match.

Federer played like a number one, but he did get tired in the second set, to the extent he slapped one of his legs gently when he was late on one fh.

Gutty played as well as he could made Fed run quite a bit, but Fed steamrolled him in both TBs.

This was one of those matches where I enjoyed Fed's fight.

He still won on his own terms with great aggressive tennis.

He will be very glad he has a day off today!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:49 am

Yes, he would not be ready to play today for sure. Here's where youth has it all - Zverev plays 3 tb sets one day, then outlasts Wawrinka the next.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:01 am

Yes. Fed after his Delpo match:

Looking forward to backing it up tomorrow now. It's not
something I'm actually used to, playing back-to-back
days. So I hope my body is going to be fine tomorrow.
That's why definitely it was key also today not to waste
too much energy

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:41 am

Anyone give Sock a chance against Nadal later? It's got to the point with Nadal where those who can really belt the ball have a proper chance. Mahut was hopeless yesterday, his backhand was pure retrieval and Nadal was able to play rallies from 2007.

I don't know, he has the power. He's certainly the last thing keeping Rafa from the final; Nishikori is building up for his usual vandalism thing where he knocks our some guys then blows up with an injury.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:10 am

Sock has been playing well recently and could do the job (though I find his game+personality really boring and free of any fun&flair).

If Nadal survives Sock, Nishi may finish him off. I read he said he wants to win a slam this year, so he must be healthy and/or feeling confident for some reason.

I saw a few games with Mahut yesterday - as you say week BH, and amazing how he kept the score close.

Fed will demolish Nadal if they both make the final. Nadal looks so insecure close to the baseline and he has no chance from behind 3-4m with Fed's BH firing.

Also, Fed's been serving so well...hism service games on average 1 min 5-10 secs long.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:56 am

Yes I could see Sock beating Nadal. Whether that's more wishful thinking than reason....probably. But as you say power tends to hurt Nadal badly and Sock has plenty of it. Tempted to put some money on it.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by gallery play on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Sock is a bit like Igor Andreev: so much energy is used (or wasted..) to produce topspin. Not sure that's going to hurt Nadal. I remember stats at RG pointed out that Sock's FH outspinned Nadal's FH, but NAdal won quite easily when they met in 2015.
Power is the key against NAdal, "flat power" though.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Sock could do it... but again the mental side and the consistency comes into play.  Probably win the first set - then fall apart.  It's the pattern with most of these players.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:14 pm

bogbrush wrote:

I don't know, he has the power. He's certainly the last thing keeping Rafa from the final; Nishikori is building up for his usual vandalism thing where he knocks our some guys then blows up with an injury.

I think Nishikori is mentally frail, but you are writing him off way too easily.  You did see him take Fed to 5 sets at the Aussie Open, yeah?

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:28 pm

gallery play wrote:Sock is a bit like Igor Andreev: so much energy is used (or wasted..) to produce topspin. Not sure that's going to hurt Nadal. I remember stats at RG pointed out that Sock's FH outspinned Nadal's FH, but NAdal won quite easily when they met in 2015.
Power is the key against NAdal, "flat power" though.


Yes Sock is known to have more rpm than Nadal. Spin can also be used to hit close to net. It's going to be interesting. I think Nadal's shots are going to sit well for Sock's whacking of the ball.

Again Nadal it's always about execusion and not being tempted to go for too much. at 3.2 ...it's quite tempting.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:38 pm

Fed officially is tired, he cant do 2 Masters in a row, there is no freshness from IW here, 2/12 BP is a joke.

Hope he does not lose to Berdy, I'd rather he loose from anyone than Berdy.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:47 pm

The good thing about Miami is that if fed gets to the final, he will have a day rest before the final. The hard bit about it is that he has 2 days in a row of Berdych and Zverev/Kyrgios.

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Post by gallery play on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:49 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed officially is tired, he cant do 2 Masters in a row, there is no freshness from IW here, 2/12 BP is a joke.

Hope he does not lose to Berdy, I'd rather he loose from anyone than Berdy.
nah, Nadal will always top the list of "most annoying player to lose to"

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:02 pm

Nadal may even tank it before the final. Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:04 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed officially is tired, he cant do 2 Masters in a row, there is no freshness from IW here, 2/12 BP is a joke.

Hope he does not lose to Berdy, I'd rather he loose from anyone than Berdy.

I think Fed has got his teeth into this one.

He rediscovered how much he enjoys winning.

Last night was very tough physically, but this extra day should help him a lot as Berd can't grind.

Is that the SF or QF?

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by gallery play on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:29 pm

Next stop is Berd. Usually when you expect a tough battle against Berd, Fed win 6-1 6-3. From semi on, he'll want to win this title.

Ideal would be: Fed to win Miami which kinda legitimizes a few skips on clay. In fact: let 'm skip all clay nonsense, bar RG

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:57 pm

I agree.  If Fed has his brains about him he will skip most or all of clay.  I'd still like to see him enter Rome or MC, because he's never won it.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:10 pm

... wrote:
Jahu wrote:Fed officially is tired, he cant do 2 Masters in a row, there is no freshness from IW here, 2/12 BP is a joke.

Hope he does not lose to Berdy, I'd rather he loose from anyone than Berdy.

I think Fed has got his teeth into this one.

He rediscovered how much he enjoys winning.

Last night was very tough physically, but this extra day should help him a lot as Berd can't grind.

Is that the SF or QF?

I've had teeth in many things, but a lot of it run away from me, so in the end I starved  Laugh

Maybe a bad day yesterday as Agut was a joke all first set, bit better on second, but did not see a need for a TB on either set.

It's the QF.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:21 pm

... wrote:
Jahu wrote:Fed officially is tired, he cant do 2 Masters in a row, there is no freshness from IW here, 2/12 BP is a joke.

Hope he does not lose to Berdy, I'd rather he loose from anyone than Berdy.

I think Fed has got his teeth into this one.

He rediscovered how much he enjoys winning.

Last night was very tough physically, but this extra day should help him a lot as Berd can't grind.

Is that the SF or QF?

If it features Berdych, it has to be a QF. QF is as far as he anyway reaches.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:22 pm

Yeah, he been crap lasy year or so, still got the top 3 GF on tour.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:27 pm

Fed beat Berds in his last 6 encounters. In fact he only had a bad patch v Berdych when he had his thigh problem in Wimbledon and during fed's back injury.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:29 pm

This Berdy fuk, once said after the match (I think it was USO) after he beat Fed: 

"There is something in my game that Fed does not like, grinning like a git."

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:31 pm

Berdych has still beaten Federer 6 times, including at Wimbledon.  Let's stop making excuses, Tenez.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:43 pm

Daniel wrote:Berdych has still beaten Federer 6 times, including at Wimbledon.  Let's stop making excuses, Tenez.

If you don't know that Federer was injured at Wimbledon 2010, then obviously, once again, lots of things escape you from this game. It;s stunning that you can notice when a player loses a 1/10th of a second (if that) because he has aged 2 years from 27 to 29 yet you cannot see a flagrant injury, Federer limping, everybody saw, talked about, including the injured and his opponent.

Why woudl I look for excuses for Fed? He has creamed him at 35 a few months ago and all along his career. I am just saying that on form Federer would never lose to Berdych like he would never lose to Roddick and 100s of other players.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Veejay on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:47 pm

the loss at wimbledon was clearly down to that injury he was struggling with
maybe shouldnt have used it as an excuse to losing in the press conference but berdych ended up being the bigger loser in the long run claiming that he voted for nadal over federer for the sportsmanship award simply because of that
showed that he had a real chip on his shoulder
fed has beaten him pretty much every time since and i think that he will beat him again here

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:55 pm

Yup. Berdych is a nobody and has no chance.  Decree of Tenez.  No doubt that if Fed loses this time, that will be put down to bad back or some sort of injury too.  If you enter a tournament and you aren't fit etc.  It's your own problem.  He lost and that's the end of it.  Can't start picking and choosing when to apply an excuse. Win = great.  Lose = Tired / Injured.  Nadal and his fans are the worst at that and I am not going to start doing it.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:12 pm

Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:

I don't know, he has the power. He's certainly the last thing keeping Rafa from the final; Nishikori is building up for his usual vandalism thing where he knocks our some guys then blows up with an injury.

I think Nishikori is mentally frail, but you are writing him off way too easily.  You did see him take Fed to 5 sets at the Aussie Open, yeah?
I'm basing it on hearing his leg was going bad yesterday.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:14 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:

I don't know, he has the power. He's certainly the last thing keeping Rafa from the final; Nishikori is building up for his usual vandalism thing where he knocks our some guys then blows up with an injury.

I think Nishikori is mentally frail, but you are writing him off way too easily.  You did see him take Fed to 5 sets at the Aussie Open, yeah?
I'm basing it on hearing his leg was going bad yesterday.

Fair enough.  Although, let's face it, the guy is permanently doing this trick, as you said. He'll kick Nadal out then retire haha.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Daniel wrote:Yup. Berdych is a nobody and has no chance.  Decree of Tenez.  No doubt that if Fed loses this time, that will be put down to bad back or some sort of injury too.  If you enter a tournament and you aren't fit etc.  It's your own problem.  He lost and that's the end of it.  Can't start picking and choosing when to apply an excuse. Win = great.  Lose = Tired / Injured.  Nadal and his fans are the worst at that and I am not going to start doing it.
No. according to you it will be down to Fed having aged 2 months since last time they played! erm

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:05 pm

I think Daniel will love this comment from Delpo: 

“He (Federer) always has a good backhand, but at the moment [it’s] even better because his legs are moving faster than years ago. I think that is the key of his improvement with the backhand.”

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:09 pm

... wrote:I think Daniel will love this comment from Delpo: 

“He (Federer) always has a good backhand, but at the moment [it’s] even better because his legs are moving faster than years ago. I think that is the key of his improvement with the backhand.”
Nah...between Delpo who faced Federer multiple times or Daniel-the-sharp-eye, I'll always back Daniel!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:19 pm

... wrote:I think Daniel will love this comment from Delpo: 

“He (Federer) always has a good backhand, but at the moment [it’s] even better because his legs are moving faster than years ago. I think that is the key of his improvement with the backhand.”


"than years ago" could mean anything.  I agree that Fed's backhand is greater if he means 5 years ago.  I don't if he means Federer 2006.  This is absolutely your problem... you take quotes here and there, usually one quote, proclaim it gospel - and it's not even got any real context to it.

I also don't agree with him that his legs are moving faster.  They aren't.  And has Delpo gone out and measured his speed?  Of course not.

Show me some real evidence. Not "Delpo said". He is no more authority on Federer's actual leg speed than we are. Delpo's opinion is completely subjective.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:25 pm

Disappointing tennis from Nishi&Fognini.

Such talented shotmakers and all they are producing is percentage grinding.
For some reason, neither are able to control the ball, which puts Federer's masterclass tennis this week on an even higher pedestal.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:37 pm

Fognini wins the first set breaking Nishi's serve, after choking to serve for it himself.

He'll be better vs Nadal anyway.

And hopefully Bernardes gets to umpire it.

Ooops, I forgot he has become usless since Nadal complained about him.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 pm

Nishi is not moving nearly as well as he can.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:59 pm

Am I the only ine who is finding this March sufficating?

Even the sunshine and birds aren't getting through to me.

And all I need now is these fat American ballgirls in supermini skirts holding umbrellas in my face.

What is the matter with this world!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:00 pm

Looks like his legs really were gone. Hope you put a bet on Fognini, Bogbrush.  That was a good call. Shame too, because when he's at his best he can challenge anyone on a given day and I was hoping he'd give Nadal the run around.  Now Nadal's draw is basically another piddle.  Hope Sock can do it, but not holding out any hope.  Fog had some good wins over Nadal before, but this Nadal seems a bit more confident than the one he met.

Zverev Kyrgios looks like the pick of the entire tournament for me. The two I think will soon be dominating going against one another.  wizard

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:08 pm

... wrote:
And all I need now is these fat American ballgirls in supermini skirts holding umbrellas in my face.

What is the matter with this world!!!!! Angry Angry Angry

Whats the matter with you? Who can refuse hormone growth beef fed american girls?  Whistle

Nishi seems off, but what a eye sore of a match.

Lets hope Nadal loses and make this tennis day bearable.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:14 pm

Jahu wrote:
... wrote:
And all I need now is these fat American ballgirls in supermini skirts holding umbrellas in my face.
What is the matter with this world!!!!! Angry Angry Angry
Whats the matter with you? Who can refuse hormone growth beef fed american girls?  Whistle Nishi seems off, but what a eye sore of a match.
Lets hope Nadal loses and make this tennis day bearable.

Well, I want MY human rights!!!!

This politically correct world has perverted itself to almost unbearable levels.

Images and words are so contaminating now there is nowhere to hide!

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:16 pm

You want too much, settle down with a pack of Hula Hoops and a glass of wine, and relax for the night, not a good day of tennis today.

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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by bogbrush on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:57 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Daniel wrote:
bogbrush wrote:

I don't know, he has the power. He's certainly the last thing keeping Rafa from the final; Nishikori is building up for his usual vandalism thing where he knocks our some guys then blows up with an injury.

I think Nishikori is mentally frail, but you are writing him off way too easily.  You did see him take Fed to 5 sets at the Aussie Open, yeah?
I'm basing it on hearing his leg was going bad yesterday.
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Re: ATP 1000: Miami

Post by Jahu on Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:58 pm

True story this one from BB  Big Grin

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