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Post by luvsports! on Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:00 pm

Noah Rubin (33) vs Roger Federer [17]
Stefanie Voegele (33) vs Venus Williams [13]
Andy Murray [1] vs Andrey Rublev (33)
Stan Wawrinka  [4] vs Steve Johnson (33)
Jeremy Chardy (33) vs. Kei Nishikori [5]
Andreas Seppi (33) vs. Nick Kyrgios [14]
Tomas Berdych [10] vs Ryan Harrison (33)
Daniel Evans (33) vs Marin Cilic [7]
Angelique Kerber  [1] vs Carina Witthoeft (33)

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Post by Tenez on Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:24 pm

Federer Williams Rublev Johnson nishikori Kyrgios Harrison cilic kerber

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:32 pm

Feds, Venus, Rublev,  johnson, Chardy, Kyrgios, Berd, Cilic, Witthoeft

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Post by ... on Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:37 pm

Federer, Williams, Rublev, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Seppi, Evans, Kerber, Nishikori, Berdych

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:29 pm

FPSJ: feds, venus, rublev, johnson, chardy, kyrgios, berd, evans, witthoeft
YM: feds, venus, murr, johnson, nishi, kyrgios, berd, cilic, kerber
OK: feds venus murr stan chardy kyrg berd cilic kerber


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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:58 am

Nohing like if Tsonga can win this AO. Time is running out for him, if not now, maybe never.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:04 am

ДАВАИ АНДРЕИИИИИИ!!!!!!! diva

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:23 am

Rublev looks like a kid.. I hope he wins at least 1 set.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:29 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Rublev looks like a kid.. I hope he wins at least 1 set.

Well, that's what healthy 19 year olds are supposed to look like, tall and skinny, not able to put weight on.

But his shots fly like bullets.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:37 am

Pascal Maria allowing Murray to take as much time between the points as he likes.

And it's 20 seconds in slams.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:42 am

So glad that lowlife Kyrgios is out, bravo Andreas!

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:43 am

And glad Evans is through, too.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:47 am

Murray takes the first set in his standard ugly way.

Rubi out for a toilet break.


Come on Little Dragon!!!!!! tennisball

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:04 am

Poor Rubi misses an overhead after winning the point about 3 times...

This is reminding me of early Nole-Nadal matches.

All that's left for Rubi to say in his press comference is: Murray is not unbeatable...Laugh

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:07 am

Can't watch the match....travelling again.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:21 am

It's as I was expecting the match to be.

Rubi started well and was unlucky to got broken.

Then Murray started retrieving like mad and muscling the ball.

He looks like a hybrid.

How anyone can delude themselves he is clean is worrying.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:26 am

Rubi wins the first game of the third set with a fantastic point in which he made Murray run like noone else before.

Crowd is behind him.

Only a few sword wielding fans (how on earth did they get these past security even if they are plastic!) dressed in medieval war costumes, are behind their "Sir".

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:37 am

I hope Daniel, Slippy & co are warching this match so they can see the difference between a clean and a doped athlete.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:58 am

I think Rubi showed what he can do.

Finally getting through qualies in a slam and a first round are a good step forward for him.

Earlier, I saw first two sets of Fed-Rubin, wasn't as entertaining as Fed's first match, lot of simple, baseline tennis.

The court looked fast.

Berdych next.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:34 pm

I hadn't seen Rublev play before today. 

At the moment, Rublev is miles behind Murray. He can't really hold up a rally, he missed too many with easy errors. His shot selection need big improvement and the shots need more accuracy. His net game is below avg.

He also need to develop better court coverage. Serve for now is ordinary, even the 1st serve.

Also his mindset when playing top opponents. He was too tight for a 19yo. The last fearless teen I saw was Nadal. Win or loss, Nadal certainly wasn't scared of who was on the other side of the net.

Rublev definitely can get better, much better. But that is still some distant future.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:32 pm

Fearless players don't look like this at the age of 19:




And they don't play cowardly tennis from 4m behind the baseline.


Nadal was so brave, that at his physical peak draws,had to be rigged so did not meet Djokovic in non-clay slams 12/12.


Imagine how fast and strong Rublev would be with more muscles. Even skinny, his shots are faster than Murray's or Nadal's will ever be.

Nadal is a great competitor and an excellent mover, but brave, I don't think so. Winking

Players who play SBH, (and ideally don't dope) , now that's what I call brave.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:28 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I hadn't seen Rublev play before today. 

At the moment, Rublev is miles behind Murray. He can't really hold up a rally, he missed too many with easy errors. His shot selection need big improvement and the shots need more accuracy. His net game is below avg.

He also need to develop better court coverage. Serve for now is ordinary, even the 1st serve.

Also his mindset when playing top opponents. He was too tight for a 19yo. The last fearless teen I saw was Nadal. Win or loss, Nadal certainly wasn't scared of who was on the other side of the net.

Rublev definitely can get better, much better. But that is still some distant future.
good assessment of Rublev...but the comparison is unfair. If Nadal had to pull winners instead of running after the ball...he would be one of the most fearful player. In fact as I mentioned many times clearing the net and lines by so much margins is a real proof of fear! Fear to lose a point as well as the fear of taking risks. Rub has no choice against a Murray to look for the knock out. No point looking to be patient until fitness improves.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:31 pm

Disappointing results for the young promising Russians. Bublik, krach and Rublev. I expected closer scores for the 3 of them.

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:15 pm

They must be on russian magic dust reacting badly on aussie heat.

Fed can beat Berdy, glad to see Korgi suck it up today, the guy has some deviation of his back, don't think he can carry on tennis for years to come.

NITB, Rafa is a legend and a cheat, the inventor of power tennis, moonballing, grinding and making tennis as it is today, a style kept alive by his 2 pupils Djoko and Andy.

But as for sheer will to win, don't think anyone will ever match him, I guess Plasma Blood illegal transfusions on Texas farms have to do something with it  Laugh

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:16 pm

i think that you guys are misunderstanding ROTLA,he is saying that nadal was fearless because he wasnt afraid of anyone he faced across the net 
he isnt saying that nadal was feared by all the other players or that scared the living shit out of players with the way he played the game.he is just saying that nadal wasnt afraid or intimidated by anyone he faced
and i agree with him,when he first burst onto the scene he was incredibly fearless for his age

great win for dan evens..didnt see that coming

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:17 pm

Yeah I though Cilic had this, but later on Dan just woke up nicely.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:29 pm

Veejay wrote:i think that you guys are misunderstanding ROTLA,he is saying that nadal was fearless because he wasnt afraid of anyone he faced across the net 
he isnt saying that nadal was feared by all the other players or that scared the living shit out of players with the way he played the game.he is just saying that nadal wasnt afraid or intimidated by anyone he faced
and i agree with him,when he first burst onto the scene he was incredibly fearless for his age

great win for dan evens..didnt see that coming

No, I am not misunderstanding rotla.

I am just highlighting the fact where Nadal's "fearlessness" came from: from his ability to physically bludgeon his opponents.
That was his only 'talent" and novelty he was allowed to get away with.
As soon as ATP started to slightly tighten the noose and implement 25 seconds rule, he first fired Bernardes, and then changed his playing style from closer to the baseline, like the rest of the field have to...we can see how brave and successful he is now.


Without those steroid muscles, he'd be nowhere, surely you can all see that!


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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:31 pm

Jahu wrote:They must be on russian magic dust reacting badly on aussie heat.

Fed can beat Berdy, glad to see Korgi suck it up today, the guy has some deviation of his back, don't think he can carry on tennis for years to come.

NITB, Rafa is a legend and a cheat, the inventor of power tennis, moonballing, grinding and making tennis as it is today, a style kept alive by his 2 pupils Djoko and Andy.

But as for sheer will to win, don't think anyone will ever match him, I guess Plasma Blood illegal transfusions on Texas farms have to do something with it  Laugh

We'll see how big his will to win is by how long he'll continue to play.

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:42 pm

No I think his will to play is there, just his body has long crumbled, anyway last 5 years Nadal has not ever had a full season I think, always detox and new tech for 3-4 months every year, bit of a part time player he has been long ago.

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:02 pm

NITB wrote:
Veejay wrote:i think that you guys are misunderstanding ROTLA,he is saying that nadal was fearless because he wasnt afraid of anyone he faced across the net 
he isnt saying that nadal was feared by all the other players or that scared the living shit out of players with the way he played the game.he is just saying that nadal wasnt afraid or intimidated by anyone he faced
and i agree with him,when he first burst onto the scene he was incredibly fearless for his age

great win for dan evens..didnt see that coming

No, I am not misunderstanding rotla.

I am just highlighting the fact where Nadal's "fearlessness" came from: from his ability to physically bludgeon his opponents.
That was his only 'talent" and novelty he was allowed to get away with.
As soon as ATP started to slightly tighten the noose and implement 25 seconds rule, he first fired Bernardes, and then changed his playing style  from closer to the baseline, like the rest of the field have to...we can see how brave and successful he is now.


Without those steroid muscles, he'd be nowhere, surely you can all see that!

i disagree
i dont think that it has anything to do with steroids or his strength or physique
at that age its purely mental,any teenager breaking into the pro tour will feel intimidated by just stepping on court with big names in the game
this isnt about winning or losing or about how he was playing,good or bad,its about his mental frame of mind at that age
nadal was very mature mentally for his age,you very rarely see such mental maturity in players his age 16/17 years old

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Nah Vee. You should know mental strength is completely dependant on fitness. If you have no fear jumping on a ring versus Mike Tyson without being physically prepared you are not strong mentally, you are a fool. I have seen Rublev enough to see that he is a fearless player just over agressive. But that's the right attitude to have cause with maturity it should pay off.

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:12 pm

Tenez wrote:Nah Vee. You should know mental strength is completely dependant on fitness. If you have no fear jumping on a ring versus Mike Tyson without being physically prepared you are not strong mentally, you are a fool. I have seen Rublev enough to see that he is a fearful player just over agressive. But that's the right attitude to have cause with maturity it should pay off.
totally disagree,what about people who are mentally strong in careers that dont require fintess?'you dont need to be fit to be mentally strong..that is a load of bullshit  Laugh
any teenage kid stepping onto court with the worlds best will naturally feel not only star struck and out of depth  but completely intimidated that they would have to compete against the worlds best,especially if its on the world biggest stages i,e centre court at wimbledon
it takes experience to get to that point of maturity as a player where youre not completely aware of the surroundings while youre playing,the surroundings dont intimidate you and the player youre competing against doesnt intimidate you
its very rare to see a kid 16/17 coming into tour and those things not affecting them or preventing them from playing their average best 
rafael nadal was certainly one of those rare exceptions

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:34 pm

a perfect example of the point in trying to make is how many players play i their first grand slam final
they are so aware of it being the final,the whole world is watching
the whole experience is completely intimidating,
they spent their whole life dreaming of making a final and the on the day they wish they were anywhere else but right there on the main court 
most of them dont play anywhere near as good as they did in their semi final
its a similar experience for young teenagers starting to play on the pro tour
at that age is can be very overwhelming seeing these players you worshipped growing up and now you have to play them

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:11 pm

2 long paragraphs but you have yet to give the name of a youngster who did well against those physical players without themselves being physically developed.

Put your theory in practice and give us names of such players.

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Tenez wrote:2 long paragraphs but you have yet to give the name of a youngster who did well against those physical players without themselves being physically developed.  

Put your theory in practice and give us names of such players.
its not about doing well or bad
its about whether you feel intimidated walking onto court and playing a player who is far more experienced then you and feeling intimidated by whoever youre facing
it also about confidence,being fearless means you can play without being afraid or intimidated by your opponent.the result has no real bearing on how you feel mentally.as ROTLA said,win or lose
you never asked for a name and this isnt about naming a player,we are talking about 1 player rafael nadal

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:30 pm

Veejay wrote:
Tenez wrote:2 long paragraphs but you have yet to give the name of a youngster who did well against those physical players without themselves being physically developed.  

Put your theory in practice and give us names of such players.
its not about doing well or bad
its about whether you feel intimidated walking onto court and playing a player who is far more experienced then you and feeling intimidated by whoever youre facing
it also about confidence,being fearless means you can play without being afraid or intimidated by your opponent.the result has no real bearing on how you feel mentally.as ROTLA said,win or lose
you never asked for a name and this isnt about naming a player,we are talking about 1 player rafael nadal

3 paragraphs and yet no player to prove your point.

My point is simple, to dent the confidence of the physical players with one's own arrogance and confidence, one needs to be super fit. If you can't run the mile or can hammer FH like Delpo you have no choice but to go with suicidal shots.

Look at this clip. Wilander was 17 or 18 there and looks very calm and composed the year he won his first FO beating Clerc, Lendl and Vilas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYds3V-fAXk

When you don;t take risk, loop the ball ad nosea and just rely on retrieving skills.....it's much easier on the mind. C'mon Vee you should know by now.

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:38 pm

I don't know what's going on...all latent Nadal fans coming out of closet! Yikes

Rotla must love Nadal because he is trying to play his FH and is finding it tough hence admiration (don't worry rotla, you'd probably be btter than Nadal if you had Toni to flog you from the age of 4! Winking )

And Vee, who must admire Nadal's steroid physique.
I remember Vee mentionining trying to get the beach body a few years ago hehe.

But Vee, I told you even then....girls don't like fake muscles, even Serena is marrying a natural looking guy. Big Grin

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:03 pm

Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:
Tenez wrote:2 long paragraphs but you have yet to give the name of a youngster who did well against those physical players without themselves being physically developed.  

Put your theory in practice and give us names of such players.
its not about doing well or bad
its about whether you feel intimidated walking onto court and playing a player who is far more experienced then you and feeling intimidated by whoever youre facing
it also about confidence,being fearless means you can play without being afraid or intimidated by your opponent.the result has no real bearing on how you feel mentally.as ROTLA said,win or lose
you never asked for a name and this isnt about naming a player,we are talking about 1 player rafael nadal

3 paragraphs and yet no player to prove your point.

My point is simple, to dent the confidence of the physical players with one's own arrogance and confidence, one needs to be super fit. If you can't run the mile or can hammer FH like Delpo you have no choice but to go with suicidal shots.

Look at this clip. Wilander was 17 or 18 there and looks very calm and composed the year he won his first FO beating Clerc, Lendl and Vilas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYds3V-fAXk

When you don;t take risk, loop the ball ad nosea and just rely on retrieving skills.....it's much easier on the mind. C'mon Vee you should know by now.
if you cannot understand the point im trying to make now then you never will...but i dont really expect you to either after claiming that mental strength can only ever come from fitness  Laugh

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:13 pm

NITB wrote:I don't know what's going on...all latent Nadal fans coming out of closet! Yikes

Rotla must love Nadal because he is trying to play his FH and is finding it tough hence admiration (don't worry rotla, you'd probably be btter than Nadal if you had Toni to flog you from the age of 4! Winking )

And Vee, who must admire Nadal's steroid physique.
I remember Vee mentionining trying to get the beach body a few years ago hehe.

But Vee, I told you even then....girls don't like fake muscles, even Serena is marrying a natural looking guy. Big Grin
whats your obsession with me and serena NITB?
it seems to be keeping you awake at night...
its obviously killing you that sharapova was caught and banned while serena is about to break records...

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:17 pm

I will agree that fitness will help you mentally, as your mind then knows or is convinced that your body can take a 6h GS match, but not that it comes only if you are fit.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:18 pm

You right I cannot understand the point you are trying to make cause your point doesn't make sense. Having the confidence without winning is pretty useless in tennis.

To prove your point you will have to support it with examples. Nadal came with a large frame, big muscles, unseen stamina for that type of game had all the reason to be confident. Look at him now that his game is not as cutting....he loses all those close matches....Even Nadal proves my point!

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:21 pm

Jahu wrote:I will agree that fitness will help you mentally, as your mind then knows or is convinced that your body can take a 6h GS match, but not that it comes only if you are fit.

I like these hand in hand Tenez/NITB coordinated/orchestrated ideas here, backing each other, nice school couple they would make   Laugh Love Blush Love Blush
of course fitness can help mental strength but there is a very big difference between saying that fitness can help mental strength and saying mental strength can only ever come from fitness

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Post by Jahu on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:23 pm

Whats with you and Serena, man? Leave this fitness crap, answer asap!!!  Laugh

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:26 pm

Veejay wrote:
Jahu wrote:I will agree that fitness will help you mentally, as your mind then knows or is convinced that your body can take a 6h GS match, but not that it comes only if you are fit.

I like these hand in hand Tenez/NITB coordinated/orchestrated ideas here, backing each other, nice school couple they would make   Laugh Love Blush Love Blush
of course fitness can help mental strength but there is a very big difference between saying that fitness can help mental strength and saying mental strength can only ever come from fitness
We are talking about physical sport here, right? Hence it is completely linked, no choice. One needs a weapon to feel "confident". If you have don;t have weapons you cannot feel confident (well you can but then you look delusional a bit).

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:28 pm

Tenez wrote:You right I cannot understand the point you are trying to make cause your point doesn't make sense. Having the confidence without winning is pretty useless in tennis.

To prove your point you will have to support it with examples. Nadal came with a large frame, big muscles, unseen stamina for that type of game had all the reason to be confident. Look at him now that his game is not as cutting....he loses all those close matches....Even Nadal proves my point!
im not talking about muscles,nadals physique unseen stamina how the match plays out or what the result is..i am talking about walking onto court and mentally not being afraid of who is on the other side of the net-thats all!!
how difficult can it be to understand that?
look at federers air of invincibility...how many players were nervous just walking into court and having to face him
nadal was a teenager who wasnt afraid of that..that is very rare to see in any 17/18 year old 
that is all i am trying to say 
nothing about muscles,forehands,how far behind the baseline he was playing etc

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:33 pm

Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:
Jahu wrote:I will agree that fitness will help you mentally, as your mind then knows or is convinced that your body can take a 6h GS match, but not that it comes only if you are fit.

I like these hand in hand Tenez/NITB coordinated/orchestrated ideas here, backing each other, nice school couple they would make   Laugh Love Blush Love Blush
of course fitness can help mental strength but there is a very big difference between saying that fitness can help mental strength and saying mental strength can only ever come from fitness
We are talking about physical sport here, right? Hence it is completely linked, no choice. One needs a weapon to feel "confident". If you have don;t have weapons you cannot feel confident (well you can but then you look delusional a bit).
mental strength in sport can come from a number of things,fitness is only one of them
confidence can be a trait that youre born with or even acquired

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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:37 pm

Veejay wrote:
NITB wrote:I don't know what's going on...all latent Nadal fans coming out of closet! Yikes

Rotla must love Nadal because he is trying to play his FH and is finding it tough hence admiration (don't worry rotla, you'd probably be btter than Nadal if you had Toni to flog you from the age of 4! Winking )

And Vee, who must admire Nadal's steroid physique.
I remember Vee mentionining trying to get the beach body a few years ago hehe.

But Vee, I told you even then....girls don't like fake muscles, even Serena is marrying a natural looking guy. Big Grin
whats your obsession with me and serena NITB?
it seems to be keeping you awake at night...
its obviously killing you that sharapova was caught and banned while serena is about to break records...
Laugh

You are a scream, Vee!

I always thought youmare crazy about Serena, esp after posting that "shaking booty" clip...
Why would anyone do that unless they like it?

That aside, I REEEEEAAAALLLLY don't care about women's tennis, esp Serena and Sharapova.
Serena is a good player but far too irritating with her dramatics on court.

Off court it's even more desperate..and I don't look for it, just see headlines as I look through tennis news.

Sharapova is just as obnoxious, but slightly less in your face.

My interest in women's died when Henin retired, though there are still a few decent players I don't mind watching - Jankovic, Kuznetsova...loved Batoli, too.


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Post by ... on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:38 pm

Veejay wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:
Jahu wrote:I will agree that fitness will help you mentally, as your mind then knows or is convinced that your body can take a 6h GS match, but not that it comes only if you are fit.

I like these hand in hand Tenez/NITB coordinated/orchestrated ideas here, backing each other, nice school couple they would make   Laugh Love Blush Love Blush
of course fitness can help mental strength but there is a very big difference between saying that fitness can help mental strength and saying mental strength can only ever come from fitness
We are talking about physical sport here, right? Hence it is completely linked, no choice. One needs a weapon to feel "confident". If you have don;t have weapons you cannot feel confident (well you can but then you look delusional a bit).
mental strength in sport can come from a number of things,fitness is only one of them
confidence can be a trait that youre born with or even acquired
The question for you is: would Nadal be confident without his steroid muscles?
Yes or no?

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Post by Tenez on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:39 pm

Veejay wrote:im not talking about muscles,nadals physique unseen stamina how the match plays out or what the result is..i am talking about walking onto court and mentally not being afraid of who is on the other side of the net-thats all!!
But how on earth can you distinguish Nadal's demeanour from his physique?
how difficult can it be to understand that?
Very.

look at federers air of invincibility...how many players were nervous just walking into court and having to face him
Disagree. It's actually the other way around. You become a scalp everyboday wants to have. Players play you without fears cause they have nothing to lose. How many times have seen players going at him without any fear of losing cause they were expecting to lose?

nadal was a teenager who wasnt afraid of that..that is very rare to see in any 17/18 year old 
that is all i am trying to say 
And Nadal had nothing to lose.....because of the above. However that is even wrong. He often was full of fear in the beginning of matches. He was often trailing like in FO06 and on many other of their encounters but Nadal's confidence grew as teh match went on and his fitness started to make the difference.

I am afraid I cannot follow you point nor logic. Everything I observed shows the opposite. In the 90s with short points it was very different...but not since the road runners took the game to such physical levels barring the road to all yongsters regardless how good or talented they are.

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Post by Veejay on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:48 pm

pat cash once said that federers air of invincibility used to get half the job done,i think im going to agree with him rather then you tenez

what does a person physique have to do with whats going on in their head?

im really just talking about nadal when he was 17/18/19 not his entire career

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