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Fastest Tennis Players
According to the research from AO 2016 the list looks like this, some surprising numbers.
It looks odd, because we can see that some players who appear slow are ranked higher than natural, leaner athletes.
Is it possible that modern medicine can make Raonic or Berdych faster than Federer&Nadal?
Or that Raonic has better average speed than Djokovic?
It can't be just the stride length, so it must be the muscles, still weird....
Interesting to see the balance between top and average speed, esp with Djokovic who is the fastest, yet relatively low with avg speed.
Does average speed reflect quality of footwork? That's the only way I can explain why he isn't ranked higher. He rarely sprints laterally, unlike Murray or Nadal, rather moves in open stance, relying on stretching and sliding, long strides and thus appears less elegant.
"The Game Insight Group (GIG) measured players when running across a distance of three meters or more during play, using match statistics collected at three Australian Opens. According to the data released, Murray has a higher average top speed (15.89 kph) than Djokovic (14.89 kph), though the Serb has the highest top speed (36.02 kph). A complete ranking of average top speed was not released, but Roger Federer was second (15.55 kph) and Rafael Nadal third (15.38 kph) among players provided. The Swiss and the Spaniard were 17th and 12th, respectively, in top speed. Among the most surprising findings was that Milos Raonic is fourth in average top speed (15.36).
Murray has the second-highest top speed (34.86 kph), and Lleyton Hewitt, who retired earlier this year, has the third-highest (31.24 kph. Gilles Simon, Grigor Dimitrov and David Ferrer followed them. Also surprising is the relatively low placement of Kei Nishikori (27.17 kph), who was 10th behind Raonic (ninth) and Tomas Berdych (eighth)."
2. Andy Murray: 34.87/15.89
3. Lleyton Hewitt: 31.24/15.24
4. Gilles Simon: 30.76/14.93
5. Grigor Dimitrov: 28.91/15.05
6. David Ferrer: 27.82/14.71
7. Stan Wawrinka: 27.66/15.17
8. Tomas Berdych: 27.28/14.49
9. Milos Raonic: 27.28/15.36
10. Kei Nishikori: 27.17/14.52
12. Rafael Nadal: 26.84/15.38
17. Roger Federer: 26.03/15.55
It looks odd, because we can see that some players who appear slow are ranked higher than natural, leaner athletes.
Is it possible that modern medicine can make Raonic or Berdych faster than Federer&Nadal?
Or that Raonic has better average speed than Djokovic?
It can't be just the stride length, so it must be the muscles, still weird....
Interesting to see the balance between top and average speed, esp with Djokovic who is the fastest, yet relatively low with avg speed.
Does average speed reflect quality of footwork? That's the only way I can explain why he isn't ranked higher. He rarely sprints laterally, unlike Murray or Nadal, rather moves in open stance, relying on stretching and sliding, long strides and thus appears less elegant.
"The Game Insight Group (GIG) measured players when running across a distance of three meters or more during play, using match statistics collected at three Australian Opens. According to the data released, Murray has a higher average top speed (15.89 kph) than Djokovic (14.89 kph), though the Serb has the highest top speed (36.02 kph). A complete ranking of average top speed was not released, but Roger Federer was second (15.55 kph) and Rafael Nadal third (15.38 kph) among players provided. The Swiss and the Spaniard were 17th and 12th, respectively, in top speed. Among the most surprising findings was that Milos Raonic is fourth in average top speed (15.36).
Murray has the second-highest top speed (34.86 kph), and Lleyton Hewitt, who retired earlier this year, has the third-highest (31.24 kph. Gilles Simon, Grigor Dimitrov and David Ferrer followed them. Also surprising is the relatively low placement of Kei Nishikori (27.17 kph), who was 10th behind Raonic (ninth) and Tomas Berdych (eighth)."
ATP
1. Novak Djokovic: 36.02/14.892. Andy Murray: 34.87/15.89
3. Lleyton Hewitt: 31.24/15.24
4. Gilles Simon: 30.76/14.93
5. Grigor Dimitrov: 28.91/15.05
6. David Ferrer: 27.82/14.71
7. Stan Wawrinka: 27.66/15.17
8. Tomas Berdych: 27.28/14.49
9. Milos Raonic: 27.28/15.36
10. Kei Nishikori: 27.17/14.52
12. Rafael Nadal: 26.84/15.38
17. Roger Federer: 26.03/15.55
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Yeah, these stats look very odd. No way is Novak's top speed nearly 40% higher than Rafa's (or Fed) - particularly when his average top speed (whatever that means) is then slower.
I'd like to see the original study but can't find that as yet. I'm particularly curious to see where Monfils is placed!
I'd like to see the original study but can't find that as yet. I'm particularly curious to see where Monfils is placed!
Slippy- Posts : 517
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I am mostly fascinated with Murray's numbers.
Esp as he is able to produce them over long periods of time in a match, i.e. he doesn't tire.
Endurance is one thing but explosive stop-start speed is a different planet.
Esp as he is able to produce them over long periods of time in a match, i.e. he doesn't tire.
Endurance is one thing but explosive stop-start speed is a different planet.
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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Ye, Monfils is the quickest so I don't care for this :P
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Excellent article NITB but it raises more questions than has answers.
1 - I don't quite understand how Djoko with a top speed record can be beaten by on an average speed? unless Djoko is slower than let's say than Murray "taking off".....which is exactly the opposite of what I see.
Secondly how do they measure The "off-block" start? Is it when a player starts to go in one direction? This alone is skewed cause it should be based on where the ball is when the player starts to run for it. I bet Federer's main advantage here is that he may be running in the right direction when the ball leave his opponent's racquet or even before while others might only commit to run towards the ball when the ball is let's say 1 or 2m after being hit. (here anticipation and seeing the ball early are key and I doubt this study has taken this into consideration.
3 - Where is Monfils in all this?
1 - I don't quite understand how Djoko with a top speed record can be beaten by on an average speed? unless Djoko is slower than let's say than Murray "taking off".....which is exactly the opposite of what I see.
Secondly how do they measure The "off-block" start? Is it when a player starts to go in one direction? This alone is skewed cause it should be based on where the ball is when the player starts to run for it. I bet Federer's main advantage here is that he may be running in the right direction when the ball leave his opponent's racquet or even before while others might only commit to run towards the ball when the ball is let's say 1 or 2m after being hit. (here anticipation and seeing the ball early are key and I doubt this study has taken this into consideration.
3 - Where is Monfils in all this?
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Thanks, T.Tenez wrote:Excellent article NITB but it raises more questions than has answers.
1 - I don't quite understand how Djoko with a top speed record can be beaten by on an average speed? unless Djoko is slower than let's say than Murray "taking off".....which is exactly the opposite of what I see.
The list, however weird it is may be a good starting point to look at the quality if individual players' movement.
For example, these numbers don't tell whether it's lateral or forward movement and Djokovic is very different there, maybe that's why such a big gap between top and average speed.
Murray and Nadal have similar uniform movement both lateral or forward, head down - upper body low and do classic sprints using arms, hence I think better average speed.
Djokovic never does that.
Djokovic is very fast moving forward, though...I noticed that 5-6 years ago in O2, he is so light he barely touches the ground when he flies forward, quite unique compared to anyone else I've seen.
Laterally he stretches, slides and lunges, so not fast in a classic way - just by leg speed.
Tenez wrote:
Secondly how do they measure The "off-block" start? Is it when a player starts to go in one direction? This alone is skewed cause it should be based on where the ball is when the player starts to run for it. I bet Federer's main advantage here is that he may be running in the right direction when the ball leave his opponent's racquet or even before while others might only commit to run towards the ball when the ball is let's say 1 or 2m after being hit. (here anticipation and seeing the ball early are key and I doubt this study has taken this into consideration.
Yes, Federer has great anticipation and often dictates points, his beauty is the amazing footwork not so much court coverage as he doesn't need to defend as much as most.
Maybe he is not in the list as the research was done over several AOs, not oher tournaments.Tenez wrote:
3 - Where is Monfils in all this?
I don't remember him doing well in Oz, maybe I'm wrong.
Still unbelievable speed for tractor Raonic!
Maybe that explains why he is number 3.
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Also, interesting how low Nishikori is on the list.
He has big legs but as he is an attacker he doesn't use them same as Murray for example.
His speed is in his shots.
He has big legs but as he is an attacker he doesn't use them same as Murray for example.
His speed is in his shots.
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I still don't by that Djoko having the top speed can be slower on average. That clearly means he is slower starting off....which clearly isn't the case. The reason he returns so well is because he can take off in a split second.
...Unless I do not understand what is average speed in that case.
...Unless I do not understand what is average speed in that case.
Tenez- Posts : 21050
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As I understand it, it's measuring any time that the player has run more than 3 metres (quite how it's measured I don't know). It's therefore not saying that Djokovic on a specific run averaged 15 kph but reached 36kph. It will be that one run was a flat out sprint but the other runs were not.Tenez wrote:I still don't by that Djoko having the top speed can be slower on average. That clearly means he is slower starting off....which clearly isn't the case. The reason he returns so well is because he can take off in a split second.
...Unless I do not understand what is average speed in that case.
Slippy- Posts : 517
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My understanding of it is different. I read it as ....While covering 5m for intance, Murray, lets say, is faster than Djokovic....despite Djoko reaching the fatest speed.
This is possible if Djoko is slower starting and/or if he decelarates earlier. I don't think the deceleration shoudl be taken into account as it's only going to be slow if the start and peak speed are better (no point overtaking the ball).
In other words the peak speed makes sense..the average doesn't and does not give much clue on on who is the better mover.
This is possible if Djoko is slower starting and/or if he decelarates earlier. I don't think the deceleration shoudl be taken into account as it's only going to be slow if the start and peak speed are better (no point overtaking the ball).
In other words the peak speed makes sense..the average doesn't and does not give much clue on on who is the better mover.
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