Khachanov thread

[Tenez]

Really impressive player and clearly deserve a thread of his own. I had never seen him play otherwise I may have created this thread earlier. . He arrives on the big scene this week with his first SF of an ATP 250. I have never seen a player hitting so hard from both wings. He moves like a 6' (1.83) player despite being 6.6 (1.98m).

He is not venturing much to the net but he clearly doesn't need too.

I suspect he could dominate all the other youngsters we have been talking about. His serve is very impressive too...but now that I know his size, I am less surprised.

He is the new Safin....with a much more stable mind.

[noleisthebest]

Good to see you excited!

I am assuming it's all easy power and as such should have reasonable hands, too.
I saw live scores, 5:5 in the 2nd set.

I know Troicki is playing well this week, so Kachanov must be good.

How old is he?

[Tenez]

And he just earned me £80.....after having messed up £100 yesterday is the most frustrating fashion!

[Tenez]

Good to see you excited!

I am assuming it's all easy power and as such should have reasonable hands, too.
I saw live scores, 5:5 in the 2nd set.

I know Troicki is playing well this week, so Kachanov must be good.

How old is he?

I am not a big fan of his game...but much more than the other tall players who just keep running. he is 20....so very much in the same generation as Zverev, Kyrgios....in fact younger than Kyrgios.

[noleisthebest]

So he is 20!

Same age as Rublev. Looks like he is a happier soul.

He'd probably be devastating inn faster conditions.
It would be good to see nim in bigger tournaments now -   Beijing and Shanghai, don't know his ranking, but he'll probably have to play qualies...

[Tenez]

last night I was bored so I put £50 at 6.5 (so a £350) on some useless players in a useless tournament in South Ameria and cashed out while making a loss....while that guy saved 4 MPs and went on to win, so I coudl have made £300!!!!

And frustrated, I made the same mistake while putting £50 at 6.0 in Mackensie McDonal v Tifaoe and cashing out making almost a £50 loss when Mc went on winning it.

So instead in short if I had stuck to my bets I woudl have made £750, ....but I lost nearly £100.

I am becoming addicted to it and that is very dangerous.

[noleisthebest]

And he just earned me £80.....after having messed up £100 yesterday is the most frustrating fashion!

No wonder you love him!

Will henbe a le to beat Simi tomorrow? (assuminig Dimi makes the final)

I read he is going to marry some 15 year older pop singer...

[Tenez]

Khachanoc is in his early 20 so a bit older than Zverev but less than a year older....which I clearly call "same generation".

[Tenez]

And he just earned me £80.....after having messed up £100 yesterday is the most frustrating fashion!

No wonder you love him!

Will henbe a le to beat Simi tomorrow? (assuminig Dimi makes the final)

I read he is going to marry some 15 year older pop singer...

Dimi? I doubt it. It's illegal isn;t it?

[noleisthebest]

last night I was bored so I put £50 at 6.5 (so a £350) on some useless players in a useless tournament in South Ameria and cashed out while making a loss....while that guy saved 4 MPs and went on to win, so I coudl have made £300!!!!

And frustrated, I made the same mistake while putting £50 at 6.0 in Mackensie McDonal v Tifaoe and cashing out making almost a £50 loss when Mc went on winning it.

So instead in short if I had stuck to my bets I woudl have made £750, ....but I lost nearly £100.

I am becoming addicted to it and that is very dangerous.

You are...those were my symptoms too...

You make all that cash based on the players you know well and then blow it on some anonymous losers...

And then you get depressed all day

[Tenez]

Kha is moving up 30 ranking to 70 this week and with a possible +46 (ranked 55) if he wins tomorrow. That's giant leap.

[noleisthebest]

And he just earned me £80.....after having messed up £100 yesterday is the most frustrating fashion!

No wonder you love him!

Will henbe a le to beat Simi tomorrow? (assuminig Dimi makes the final)

I read he is going to marry some 15 year older pop singer...

Dimi? I doubt it. It's illegal isn;t it?

Hehe, I hope he does not end up as Stan with his first wife...

Maybe it's true loooveeee!

Oh, I have become so cynical...

[noleisthebest]

Kha is moving up 30 ranking to 70 this week and with a possible +46 (ranked 55) if he wins tomorrow. That's giant leap.

Wow!
I thiught he was ranked 200-300...where did he make all those points...doesn't matter, good to have another young player using arms mire than legs .

[Tenez]

last night I was bored so I put £50 at 6.5 (so a £350) on some useless players in a useless tournament in South Ameria and cashed out while making a loss....while that guy saved 4 MPs and went on to win, so I coudl have made £300!!!!

And frustrated, I made the same mistake while putting £50 at 6.0 in Mackensie McDonal v Tifaoe and cashing out making almost a £50 loss when Mc went on winning it.

So instead in short if I had stuck to my bets I woudl have made £750, ....but I lost nearly £100.

I am becoming addicted to it and that is very dangerous.

You are...those were my symptoms too...

You make all that  cash based on the players you know well and then blow it on some anonymous losers...

And then you get depressed all day

Yep luckily I managed to go back to £365 but I was at £420 yesterday and coudl have been over £1300 had I stuck to my bets. But that is lots of if, coulda shoulda and when you realise that someone you see lose but saves 4MP and ends up winning, you realise there is hardly anything you control. On the other end had Kha lost today I would have lost from my initial £100 "investment".

[noleisthebest]

Yep luckily I managed to go back to £365 but I was at £420 yesterday and coudl have been over £1300 had I stuck to my bets. But that is lots of if, coulda shoulda and when you realise that someone you see lose but saves 4MP and ends up winning, you realise there is hardly anything you control. On the other end had Kha lost today I would have lost from my initial £100 "investment".

You did the right thing.

I feel betting has become more unpredictable/tougher than before, i.e. stg's changed since last year.

I made a lot of money in 2014/15 and was regretting I hadn't started it earlier...it was so easy!

Then I got addicted and made some silly losses, but still in big plus. So I decided to leave it.


But...now I think it's very difficult to call most matches that used to be easy...can't explain it..looks like the tour has thickened and anyone can win.

It's probably best to wait for big tournaments when everyone gives their best, these smaller tournaments are like russian roulette!

Safest to play with small amounts there to feed/fend off the addiction!

[luvsports!]

So he is 20!

Same age as Rublev. Looks like he is a happier soul.

He'd probably be devastating inn faster conditions.
It would be good to see nim in bigger tournaments now -   Beijing and Shanghai, don't know his ranking, but he'll probably have to play qualies...

Rublev is 18.

First i saw of the big Ruski was when he beat kohli this summer in Kitzbutzhel and then took a set off Nishi at US open.

[Tenez]

Yep luckily I managed to go back to £365 but I was at £420 yesterday and coudl have been over £1300 had I stuck to my bets. But that is lots of if, coulda shoulda and when you realise that someone you see lose but saves 4MP and ends up winning, you realise there is hardly anything you control. On the other end had Kha lost today I would have lost from my initial £100 "investment".

You did the right thing.

I feel betting has become more unpredictable/tougher than before, i.e. stg's changed since last year.

I made a lot of money in 2014/15 and was regretting I hadn't started it earlier...it was so easy!

Then I got addicted and made some silly losses, but still in big plus. So I decided to leave it.


But...now I think it's very difficult to call most matches that used to be easy...can't explain it..looks like the tour has thickened and anyone can win.

It's probably best to wait for big tournaments when everyone gives their best, these smaller tournaments are like russian roulette!

Safest to play with small amounts there to feed/fend off the addiction!

but one cannot really make money on the predictable matches....you have to take risks knowing some details about players format, etc...

[Tenez]

So he is 20!

Same age as Rublev. Looks like he is a happier soul.

He'd probably be devastating inn faster conditions.
It would be good to see nim in bigger tournaments now -   Beijing and Shanghai, don't know his ranking, but he'll probably have to play qualies...

Rublev is 18.

First i saw of the big Ruski was when he beat kohli this summer in Kitzbutzhel and then took a set off Nishi at US open.

yep...Though rublevel is going to be 19 this month or next.

[noleisthebest]

but one cannot really make money on the predictable matches....you have to take risks knowing some details about players format,  etc...

You could make decent money even on safe ones with larger amounts, players were more reliable!
I made lots on Simin, Agut, Berdych, Errani, Ferrer, Murray....they had patterns of play.
Fognini, too...now it's all gone crazy!

I am not saying it's impossible but not as easy as before.
I think European season is the best time to bet, you can actually watch matches and bet.
I made mistakes of betting blindly this year.

Maybe we are witnessing changing of the guard.

[Tenez]

...
Maybe we are witnessing changing of the guard.

You could make even more money on it.

[luvsports!]

He won! In 3 sets! V impressive.

[noleisthebest]

He won! In 3 sets! V impressive.

Well done!

So he the 11 years older Berdych have one thing in common: a single 250 title in 2016.

It must be sign of times!

Talking of all that I am annoyed with ATP's  no mentioning Pouille in this list:


#NextGen Winners In 2016
Player
Age
Tournament
Nick Kyrgios
20 years, 9 months
Marseille
Nick Kyrgios
21 years, 3 months
Atlanta
Alexander Zverev
19 years, 5 months
St. Petersburg
Karen Khachanov
20 years, 4 months

[Tenez]

Yes quite impressive. Especially the way he came back from a break down in teh 3rd. The first break back game was huge choker from the spaniard but teh second break in that 3rd set was pure fighting. He looked very tired though.

As much as I am happy for him, I woudl not be surprised if he were on something. The way he moves for a 6'6" and the pretty large veins he has already coudl be telling.

It doesn't matter anyway as they are all on something..bar very few maybe.

[Tenez]

Rublev beat Khashanov earlier this year. And Zverev beat him too in St Petersbourg last week.

Interesting.


Open BNP Paribas
Quimper, France
2016.02.29 - 2016.03.06
SGL 32 DBL 16
Indoor Hard
Prize Money
€42,500
Total Financial Commitment
€42,500
ROUND RANK OPPONENT W-L SCORE
Round of 16 208

Andrey Rublev
L 6710 57

[Tenez]

Here is teh match between Zverev and Khachanov.



Quite close and interesting to see that Zverev is clearly standing further back and does a Nadal job of retrieving. Which clearly helped him win that match.....but in the future?

[Tenez]

In fact Khach had ball for 5/1 in that second set he lost! Incredible how teh score never tells the full story.

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