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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:01 pm

Pella reminds me so much Gasquet.

The way he looks, the way he talks.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:06 pm

Poor result for Edmund. Should've started with Evans.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:15 pm

Yes really bizarre they chose Edmund over Evans.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by ... on Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:53 am

Daniel wrote:Mentally weak pusher is always going to lose when Del Potro brings anywhere near his A game.
I don't think Murray is mentally weak.

From memory, Delpo has never been a problem for him in the past.

But now Delpo's improved his serve and FH and similar to Stan become a mature, confident shotmaker - able to play his game.

No panic.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:27 am

Really?  I don't remember the last time another player went mad because of a moth - or screamed at his corner all match - or lost their head over one let call.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:38 am

Yes but Andy has 3 slams and many 1000s, including 2 olympic golds despite being a weak pusher.

Like all retrievers they are strong mentally cause they are strong physically and the mental stress is on the opponent to take the risk.

Murray, like most other retrievers are weak mentally when they need to pull the trigger on big points. This is well documented in all those matches. but this is why they are retrievers in the first place. They simply don't have the guts but they put all their mental strength in hanging on, not making mistakes.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Veejay on Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:58 pm

Tenez wrote:Yes but Andy has 3 slams and many 1000s, including 2 olympic golds despite being a weak pusher.

Like all retrievers they are strong mentally cause they are strong physically and the mental stress is on the opponent to take the risk.

Murray, like most other retrievers are weak mentally when they need to pull the trigger on big points. This is well documented in all those matches. but this is why they are retrievers in the first place. They simply don't have the guts but they put all their mental strength in hanging on, not making mistakes.
and that's the difference really isn't it? del potro really goes for his shots,where as murray under pressure plays not to lose the point,rather then to win the point

surprising to see both del potro and murray playing doubles after their marathon match yesterday,should be interesting to see who runs out of gas first.it wil be a little harder to see playing doubles

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Post by ... on Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:22 pm

Good to see Murray amd Delpo playing doubles, Mac was right when he said B grade players get away with winning slams in doubles these days (Brian Brothers!!!), singles players bring so much more quality...with the exception of Leander Peas - he is fantastic.

Shame top players can't play more doubles these days, but completely understandable.

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Post by ... on Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:29 pm

Mind you, Leonardo Mayer is useless as a doubles player....no idea how to position himself at the net.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Veejay on Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:12 pm

so the murrays survive...
I cant see del potro losing tomorrow so I expect Argentina to knock GB out

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Post by ... on Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:19 pm

Murray bros were better, thanks to the little brother A. - very good doubles player!

Frenchies make two cheap mistakes and lose 3rd set TB. First PH Herbert nets an inexplicable 2nd serve FH return, anfter that Mahut takes the ball flying out with a defensive volley and that's it...
Crowd terrible, hopefully will take the next.

Very close match.

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Post by ... on Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:01 pm

Disappointing match from Mahut and esp Herbert.
I can't believe they are ranked number ine doubles team.

The French will need a miracle tomorrow...let's see if Noah can ressurect the spirit.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:04 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Disappointing match from Mahut and esp Herbert.
I can't believe they are ranked number ine doubles team.

The French will need a miracle tomorrow...let's see if Noah can ressurect the spirit.

Very disappointing indeed. I'd ve fancied a 5th rubber between Coric and Pouille.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:25 pm

Doubles is a very limited game anyway. One dimensional.  I always get beat at local club by the same 3 players, but it's the other way around in Singles, where they can't just hog the net and cut off all the tactics and variety.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:48 am

Rumour has it that the Del Potro isn't playing today.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:50 am

http://www.hindustantimes.com/tennis/del-potro-poised-to-sit-out-key-davis-cup-clash-against-britain-s-kyle-edmund/story-AX5ANhZ4W0rI0kGJSFRuDI.html

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:08 am

Why oh why did he play doubles Sad

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Post by ... on Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:51 am

Let's hope it's an old-fashioned tactical bluff. Winking

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:24 pm

Pella ain't got a hope in hell

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:49 pm

Murray on a mto. Could get interesting.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:51 pm

Drama. MTO for Murray.

PS. LS if you are on 606V2, Norman isn't the GOAT of tennis coaches. Cahill, Annacone, Stefanki might have something to say on that.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:57 pm

I don't agree with slippy on many things LK.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:59 pm

You and me both LS, though in some rings he is a great poster Winking

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Dan Evans, it's over to you.

I have not seen those rings LK Winking

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:25 pm

Croatia through to the final. Cillic downs Gasquet.

Evo time!!

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:34 pm

Mayer confirmed to play final rubber!!

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:36 pm

If GB turns this around, if I were Delpo I'd be having choice words with the captain!

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Post by Veejay on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:38 pm

the argentines have made such a mess of this weekend,dont know why del potro played doubles,he should have rested yesterday and played the singles match today
well GB have a real shot here now

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Post by Veejay on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:39 pm

legendkillar wrote:Croatia through to the final. Cillic downs Gasquet.

Evo time!!
thats really surprising cause the French have so many good players to choose from

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:40 pm

Veejay wrote:the argentines have made such a mess of this weekend,dont know why del potro played doubles,he should have rested yesterday and played the singles match today
well GB have a real shot here now

Absolutely agree. Going 2-0 after the first day. A position I think no-one expected. Delpo didn't need to play doubles. As you say. Rest him as he would easily finish off Evans or Edmund.

Poor captaincy.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:43 pm

Veejay wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Croatia through to the final. Cillic downs Gasquet.

Evo time!!
thats really surprising cause the French have so many good players to choose from
they all managed to get injured almost at the same time.. Tsonga, Monfils, Simon.. all of them.. Even Mahut has been carrying  an injury.. so yesterday's performance is understandable.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:47 pm

Veejay wrote:the argentines have made such a mess of this weekend,dont know why del potro played doubles,he should have rested yesterday and played the singles match today
well GB have a real shot here now

I can't remember Delpo playing any doubles match before yesterday.... has he ever?

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:10 pm

Yes. He did in the match vs Italy in the qf. They won.

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Post by Veejay on Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:44 pm

legendkillar wrote:
Veejay wrote:the argentines have made such a mess of this weekend,dont know why del potro played doubles,he should have rested yesterday and played the singles match today
well GB have a real shot here now

Absolutely agree. Going 2-0 after the first day. A position I think no-one expected. Delpo didn't need to play doubles. As you say. Rest him as he would easily finish off Evans or Edmund.

Poor captaincy.
well it seems like del potro was his own undoing which will ultimately cost argentina a place in the final
the team captain should have refused to allow him to play the doubles match no matter how much he wanted to play it

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Post by ... on Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:55 pm

Maybe Delpo's body could not take another singles match.
After all, it was nearly 5 hours against Murray on Friday.

At least we get to see a good 5th rubber and two SBH-ers.

Mayer has better FH & serve, but looks a bit nervous.

This is not a done deal for GB at all.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:15 pm

1-1 it is.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:17 pm

2-2, 1 set all. Game on. Bo3 set shoot out now.

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Post by ... on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:23 pm

What do you mean best of 3 sets, surely best of 5?

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:31 pm

Evans too nervous. Needs to loosen up.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:58 pm

luvsports! wrote:Murray on a mto. Could get interesting.
Why are you so anti- Murray?

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:11 pm

I don't like his game at all. Muscles everything. Grinds you down. 

You've asked me this before.
My fave players are Feds, Stan, Dolgo, Dustin Brown, Thiem to name but a few.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:26 pm

luvsports! wrote:I don't like his game at all. Muscles everything. Grinds you down. 

You've asked me this before.
My fave players are Feds, Stan, Dolgo, Dustin Brown, Thiem to name but a few.

Fair enough....surely you want the Brits to win today....it's not so much about players but nations here.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:26 pm

What a slog this match is. I've all but given up on this. Not pretty at all.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:28 pm

Delpo is not even watching!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:28 pm

I thnk LM is playing ok. Nice BHs at least. Shame Evans is not playing his best.

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:30 pm

Evans just buckling under the weight of expectation. A trait that runs like a yellow streak through British sport. Unless of course you ride a bike! Winking

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:32 pm

Take nothing away from Argentina. This will be a fantastic result for them and Delpo. What a comeback this year.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:34 pm

Tenez wrote:
luvsports! wrote:I don't like his game at all. Muscles everything. Grinds you down. 

You've asked me this before.
My fave players are Feds, Stan, Dolgo, Dustin Brown, Thiem to name but a few.

Fair enough....surely you want the Brits to win today....it's not so much about players but nations here.

Ye, I want them to win but not that fussed. Tennis is a sport I am not very patriotic about. 

I think Mayer is playing v well.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:37 pm

I am trying to forgo my patriotism. Think it's a mis-sold illusion.

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Re: Davis Cup 2016: Semi-Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:42 pm

Argentina are through 3-2. Great result for them.

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