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USO 2016: The Final

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:30 am

noleisthebest wrote:Nole needs to flatten his FH.

Legs are good.

Dropped off after the second set, but looked like it was a tired match, too.

Ah well....
Yep...he looked terrible last night. Stan did not play great either. Had Monfils had a bit of focus and mind he would have beaten Djoko. 

Djoko had much more margins than Stan yet he was so nervous on the big points. That is why to me i cant see those guys as "greats". Its all fitness no guts.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:10 am

I don't think he looked terrible, but he certainly didn't play his best tennis.

Nole didn't want to take anything away from Stan (as one shouldn't esp after such a big match), but he's been carrying a shoulder injury for some time.

Ss he said in his press conference, you can't win a slam final without a serve.

On the "gutless" account, I don't think he is gutless. 

He plays within himself, his ability, to try anything else woukd be stupid, after all he is a professional player, playing to win, not an exo clown.

Just like Stan is not gutless for not chipping and charging, SANR-int or playing lots of dropshots.

Gutless is someone whi has the ability and doesn't use it.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by legendkillar on Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:15 am

Seen the result and some highlights this morning. Stan certainly taking his chance yet again!

I don't believe the best tennis won the tournament. Been a very underwhelming tournament. No-one really stands out as playing really well all the way through.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:51 am

It was an eye opener to just how many players aren't even trying.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:54 am

noleisthebest wrote:I don't think he looked terrible, but he certainly didn't play his best tennis.

Nole didn't want to take anything away from Stan (as one shouldn't esp after such a big match), but he's been carrying a shoulder injury for some time.

Ss he said in his press conference, you can't win a slam final without a serve.

On the "gutless" account, I don't think he is gutless. 

He plays within himself, his ability, to try anything else woukd be stupid, after all he is a professional player, playing to win, not an exo clown.

Just like Stan is not gutless for not chipping and charging, SANR-int or playing lots of dropshots.

Gutless is someone whi has the ability and doesn't use it.
I don't really wish to stir the knife in the wound but I really thought he was gutless in his choice of shots. He was cramping yet preferred to extend rallies hoping for a mistake.  Saying that Stan was "more courageous " is an understatement from Djokovic.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:02 am

Firstly, he was not cramping, he said it himself in his post match interview.

His problem was the shoulder, he was not fully fit and that was more than enough to give Stan the edge of a fine margin.

He also said he had to compensate for the lack of serve.

As I said, he played within himself - exactly as he always does.

Finally, don't worry about the "wound", there is none.

He did well to make the final.

I look forward to seeing him play fully fit next year.

Holding 4 slams obviously took a big physical toll on him.

Sorry, but he's still my Nole Big Grin.

Of course, happy for Stan amd the triumph of a SBH.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:04 am

Then why was he holding his legs?

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:06 am

Tenez wrote:You are bloody unlucky FK. You keep hoping to prove that players decline after 25 or 26...and what happens? a 29yo gets beaten by a 31.

Players do decline physically nearing 30 and continue then on. The rate of this decline is different for different players. 

But today's sports science allows players to stay fit for longer times. Player improve in their shot-making, shot selection, composure and controlling their nerves in crunch times. But the decline of the physical strength due to aging will overtake the improvement they gain... One injury is all it takes and you are off with your game.

Stan always had the game to win slam.. just like Tsonga has... But with age he learnt to control his nerves and not lose focus. He understands the game better. So at 30-31 his improvement in game is overshadowing age..

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:25 am

Yeah - it's his peak v his prime.  If he had got his shit together at 21 years of age, he'd have won far more. True he would have physically been more burnt out now - but he'd have more than 3 slams. He had the ability from the word go.  It's just nice that he didn't leave it too late to at least salvage something.

Most players won't do what Stan has.... they'll never solve the mental barrier.  Stan is one of the few that did.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by gallery play on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:30 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:You are bloody unlucky FK. You keep hoping to prove that players decline after 25 or 26...and what happens? a 29yo gets beaten by a 31.

Players do decline physically nearing 30 and continue then on. The rate of this decline is different for different players. 

But today's sports science allows players to stay fit for longer times. Player improve in their shot-making, shot selection, composure and controlling their nerves in crunch times. But the decline of the physical strength due to aging will overtake the improvement they gain... One injury is all it takes and you are off with your game.

Stan always had the game to win slam.. just like Tsonga has... But with age he learnt to control his nerves and not lose focus. He understands the game better. So at 30-31 his improvement in game is overshadowing age..

Stan's advantage is that he's the underdog in slam finals. He's not playing to break records, no one expects him to win and careerwise he succeeded anyway. So he can fully focus on what he does best: punishing every weak shot the opponant hits.
Before he won his first slam he probably wanted it too much, which made him mentally unstable. But it seems like from AO 2014 on, he started to think like "it's YOU who is under pressure" And like you said: he always had the game to pull it of.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:47 am

gallery play wrote:
Stan's advantage is that he's the underdog in slam finals. He's not playing to break records, no one expects him to win and careerwise he succeeded anyway. So he can fully focus on what he does best: punishing every weak shot the opponant hits.
Before he won his first slam he probably wanted it too much, which made him mentally unstable. But it seems like from AO 2014 on, he started to think like "it's YOU who is under pressure" And like you said: he always had the game to pull it of.

Good point.

He has always wisely avoided being dragged into "big4/5" talk.
Very likable, no nonsense, down to earth, honest, humble character.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by gallery play on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:58 am

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Stan's advantage is that he's the underdog in slam finals. He's not playing to break records, no one expects him to win and careerwise he succeeded anyway. So he can fully focus on what he does best: punishing every weak shot the opponant hits.
Before he won his first slam he probably wanted it too much, which made him mentally unstable. But it seems like from AO 2014 on, he started to think like "it's YOU who is under pressure" And like you said: he always had the game to pull it of.

Good point.

He has always wisely avoided being dragged into "big4/5" talk.
Very likable, no nonsense, down to earth, honest, humble character.

And a very good substitute for Federer, in many ways Thumbs Up

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 12, 2016 10:59 am

Daniel wrote:Then why was he holding his legs?
I didn't see that, when was it, 4th set?

I don't know why he held his legs.
Maybe they were spent, maybe they felt spent.

Nole is a dinely tuned mind, quite a fussy player and he may allow nerves to affect his inner balance in a psychisomatic way.

I have always thought that's how he deals with stress in matches.

It's his weakness, he can't hide it, but hey, show me a perfect man!



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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:02 am

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Stan's advantage is that he's the underdog in slam finals. He's not playing to break records, no one expects him to win and careerwise he succeeded anyway. So he can fully focus on what he does best: punishing every weak shot the opponant hits.
Before he won his first slam he probably wanted it too much, which made him mentally unstable. But it seems like from AO 2014 on, he started to think like "it's YOU who is under pressure" And like you said: he always had the game to pull it of.

Good point.

He has always wisely avoided being dragged into "big4/5" talk.
Very likable, no nonsense, down to earth, honest, humble character.

And a very good substitute for Federer, in many ways Thumbs Up

Yes he is.

He will always be his little tennis brother. Such interesting dynamics between the two, abive everything - healthy!
Great duo!

And interesting that they get on so well with the Swedes.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Sep 12, 2016 11:56 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Daniel wrote:Then why was he holding his legs?
I didn't see that, when was it, 4th set?

I don't know why he held his legs.
Maybe they were spent, maybe they felt spent.
4th set  Winking . But I think it was a tactical move. The same that Nishikori did with nadal in Rio.. bronz medal match.

Djokovic already has the easiest possible road to the finals.

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Re: USO 2016: The Final

Post by Veejay on Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:44 pm

stan once again proves that he is the man!! 
3 grand slam finals= 3 wins..
only wimbledon grand slam eludes him now 
i think that this year will be the last that we see djokovic win 2 or more majors a season

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