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Post by Daniel Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:25 pm

And the tax return they've been harping about has shown Donald paid a higher rate than Sanders and numerous others haha - and far more money overall too.  The media and left are desperate.  I'm laughing.

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Post by Veejay Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:33 am

Daniel wrote:And the tax return they've been harping about has shown Donald paid a higher rate than Sanders and numerous others haha - and far more money overall too.  The media and left are desperate.  I'm laughing.
desperate for what? trump is a pathological liar who believes his own lies..and you and the rest of his blind followers do too... thats desperation and me and the rest of the world are laughing..
heres the other funny thing,you despise islam so much but yet you want the whole world to go back to living in  the dark ages...
why dont you just convert to islam and become a muslim instead..??  pretty much the same thing if you ask me...

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Post by Jahu Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:48 am

It seems all Trumps people were/are russian ass lickers

He has been dismantled completely internally by russians, what a joke.

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Post by Tenez Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:06 am

Veejay wrote:
Daniel wrote:And the tax return they've been harping about has shown Donald paid a higher rate than Sanders and numerous others haha - and far more money overall too.  The media and left are desperate.  I'm laughing.
desperate for what? trump is a pathological liar who believes his own lies..and you and the rest of his blind followers do too... thats desperation and me and the rest of the world are laughing..
heres the other funny thing,you despise islam so much but yet you want the whole world to go back to living in  the dark ages...
why dont you just convert to islam and become a muslim instead..??  pretty much the same thing if you ask me...

I am certainly not a follower of Trump. To me he is just the normal consequence of years of warmongering and further lies by the previous administrations. Like Obama was the consequence of Bush's reign. I don;t think Trump will be able to do much better but again it;s to see the media and the billionaires behind them lose a hold on the people and power which I enjoy. And you should too cause their interest will never be the same as yours.

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Post by Veejay Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:55 pm

fair comment tenez..every administration walks into to the white house having to cover the lies of all their predecessors but im specifically talking about the lies coming from trump,not the lies he is telling to cover up the lies of former presidents 
i dont think that the media is losing a hold over people,if anything the trump administration is giving the media a platform and reason to be the voice for the people who want to talk about whats going on 
the trump administration is giving the media ammunition to use against them

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Post by Emancipator Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:28 pm

Daniel wrote:Must suck to be you two :P Trump president and the whole of Europe heading back where it should be - The right. Brexit being enacted.

You'll just have to accept that.  You think a billionaire TV personality, who owns businesses around the world, and who became US president (totally outfoxing the republican party AND the Democrats AND the media) is a dumbo.

You carry on and you'll be joining Tenez in the land of fake moon landing conspiracies. 

You can whinge and whine until you are blue in the face, but the electorate have moved on without you. Your "argument" of calling people who disagree with you racist isn't working anymore. When are you guys going to learn that?  So ignorant  Laugh

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As for Sweden, I note you two disappeared fast from that topic in light of numerous Swedish cops, politicians and others coming forward saying Trump was right.  Or the fact a hand grenade was thrown and mass riots have erupted there (and have been going on there for years).

Or is that "fake news" as well.  Laugh


The racist here is you, TMF. Also a mindless bigot to go with it - who thinks he can shout his mouth off calling people names as an argument. Get used to seeing people like me in power.  Magic

The election is over by the way.  You lost.

Oh dear you really are stupid aren't you?

Brexiteers do themselves no favours by allying themselves with the ignorami of the Trump cabal.

Seeing people like you in power? And what power is that - the power to be ignorant with a keyboard?

DT is thick as shit - anyone can see that - just 'cause daddy gave him a silver spoon doesn't make him smart.

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Post by Emancipator Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:32 pm

Yes the electorate is moving to the (far) right driven by hate-filled rhetoric. Oh, that's from the guy 'who doesn't deal with right or left'. Lol. You smug little man who has a trumped up opinion of his self.

And we know what happened last time Europe moved to the right..

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Post by Emancipator Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:36 pm

Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:
Daniel wrote:And the tax return they've been harping about has shown Donald paid a higher rate than Sanders and numerous others haha - and far more money overall too.  The media and left are desperate.  I'm laughing.
desperate for what? trump is a pathological liar who believes his own lies..and you and the rest of his blind followers do too... thats desperation and me and the rest of the world are laughing..
heres the other funny thing,you despise islam so much but yet you want the whole world to go back to living in  the dark ages...
why dont you just convert to islam and become a muslim instead..??  pretty much the same thing if you ask me...

I am certainly not a follower of Trump. To me he is just the normal consequence of years of warmongering and further lies by the previous administrations. Like Obama was the consequence of Bush's reign. I don;t think Trump will be able to do much better but again it;s to see the media and the billionaires behind them lose a hold on the people and power which I enjoy. And you should too cause their interest will never be the same as yours.  

I agree with this to an extent - Trump took advantage of the disenfranchisement of the public from mainstream politics. Some (a lot) of those people are too stupid to realise that he is no better. Some (a lot) a just happy they've found someone who gives voice to their prejudice.

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Post by Tenez Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:58 pm

TMF wrote:Yes the electorate is moving to the (far) right driven by hate-filled rhetoric. Oh, that's from the guy 'who doesn't deal with right or left'. Lol. You smug little man who has a trumped up opinion of his self.

And we know what happened last time Europe moved to the right..

I do not see mouvement to the far right. I see populism raising cause those holding the power till now have allowed it. Populism raises for a reason....Trump would have had no chance to be elected 4 years ago, let alone 20 or 30 years ago.

What those in power have done to let populism rise everywhere in the West is the problem of those who were in power during all those years.
When you have have guys like Sarkozy and Francois Hollande as President betraying their country it is normal to have more people voting for Lepen, in spite of the Press doing their best to destroy the Lepen family.

DOn;t blame populism. Blame those who do not provide alternatives to vote for them.

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Post by Veejay Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:52 pm

TMF wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:
Daniel wrote:And the tax return they've been harping about has shown Donald paid a higher rate than Sanders and numerous others haha - and far more money overall too.  The media and left are desperate.  I'm laughing.
desperate for what? trump is a pathological liar who believes his own lies..and you and the rest of his blind followers do too... thats desperation and me and the rest of the world are laughing..
heres the other funny thing,you despise islam so much but yet you want the whole world to go back to living in  the dark ages...
why dont you just convert to islam and become a muslim instead..??  pretty much the same thing if you ask me...

I am certainly not a follower of Trump. To me he is just the normal consequence of years of warmongering and further lies by the previous administrations. Like Obama was the consequence of Bush's reign. I don;t think Trump will be able to do much better but again it;s to see the media and the billionaires behind them lose a hold on the people and power which I enjoy. And you should too cause their interest will never be the same as yours.  

I agree with this to an extent - Trump took advantage of the disenfranchisement of the public from mainstream politics. Some (a lot) of those people are too stupid to realise that he is no better. Some (a lot) a just happy they've found someone who gives voice to their prejudice.
i see it the same way

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Post by Daniel Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:20 pm

@tmf  "insult insult insult racist racist racist"

*crying* why did people vote for Brexit and for Trump?  I just don't get it.

Yeah, keep on crying, TMF.  Keep those insults flowing.  We need more people like you to finally get rid of the Left from any kind of power. You will just keep on losing.  Laugh


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Maddow is the dumbo you have representing your side, and Trump's kicked your arse... yet again.  Angry


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Post by Daniel Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:24 pm

I think I've found TMF's keyboard  Laugh

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Post by Tenez Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:49 pm

keep cool guys. None of us know what's behind the curtain.

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Post by Daniel Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:41 am

I give you - the mentally ill left.
LOL

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:32 pm

LOL - Insults - says the guy throwing a thousand insults.

How high is DT's IQ - 156 did you say. lol. Hilarious. Or where you just manufacturing some fake news? You know what they say about birds of a feather...

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

Tenez wrote:
TMF wrote:Yes the electorate is moving to the (far) right driven by hate-filled rhetoric. Oh, that's from the guy 'who doesn't deal with right or left'. Lol. You smug little man who has a trumped up opinion of his self.

And we know what happened last time Europe moved to the right..

I do not see mouvement to the far right. I see populism raising cause those holding the power till now have allowed it. Populism raises for a reason....Trump would have had no chance to be elected 4 years ago, let alone 20 or 30 years ago.

What those in power have done to let populism rise everywhere in the West is the problem of those who were in power during all those years.
When you have have guys like Sarkozy and Francois Hollande as President betraying their country it is normal to have more people voting for Lepen, in spite of the Press doing their best to destroy the Lepen family.

DOn;t blame populism. Blame those who do not provide alternatives to vote for them.

That's exactly what I said in my first post on this issue.

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:36 pm

TMF wrote:
Veejay wrote:did anyone see the trump rally yesterday..
what a circus...melania opens with the lords prayer that she could barely read or say and more fake news from trump in the form of an alleged terrorist attack in sweden ( which never happened ) to try and justify his travel ban
the comments on twitter are just hilarious #swedenincident 
but seriously,who holds a rally when they have already been elected?? (apart from the likes of hilter,mugabe,mossolini kim jong-un,eddie anin etc)
what a desperate attempt to save the embarrassing shambles of the last few 
all trump has proved during the first few weeks of his presidency is how completely out of depth he is 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/19/trump-refers-non-existent-refugee-incident-sweden-rally/


Trump is a complete and utter moron. The only people more moronic than him are the people who support him. I understand that people are angry at the establishment, disenfranchised, marginalised, etc but this guy is not the solution.

The whole fake news thing - he is the king of fake news - his establishment is churning out bullshit day after day. These people are lunatics. His cabinet is filled with right wingers and religious nuts and super corporate elites.

The guy is totally incompetent; he's a blagger; he's winging it - everyone but his blind supporters can see that. He's like Brent from the office - just making shit up as he goes along and not realising how ridiculous he sounds. Even Dubya seems presidential in comparison.

Did someone say he has an IQ of between 130 and 156? LOL - in fantasy land perhaps. The moron is having twitter beef with Arnold Swarztnegger while he's the POTUS. WTF is wrong with him? Too stupid, way in over his head, and sadly extremely dangerous for the rest of us.

The attacks on the media (justified, because they are lying scumbags, but he and his administration are even worse - pot, kettle, black - the guy spews falsehoods all the time and then attacks others when they point it out to him), the loud proclamations, the campaign trail responses, the sloganism is starting to wear thin and eventually even the thickest (well, maybe not the thickest) of his supporters will see that this guy has no substance - he is incompetent.

In the meanwhile, the opportunists in his administration will sell out the people and the planet even further. Arctic drilling, new pipelines, greater expenditure on military, more state security, more spying, reform of basic health insurance, massive deregulation of environmental protection laws etc, etc.

The Trump election to presidency highlights how broken the political system in America is. The people (and let's be honest - the American public in general is a special kind of ignorant) were so desperate for change that they elected the worst imaginable candidate - a liar and a narcissist - because they had no choice. The alternative was the status quo and the horribly insipid Clinton. A damning indictment of the political system that it should produce these two options alone. It shows how narrow and controlled the political discourse in America is. The media bears responsibility to a large extent as well as state institutions and the political class - they have framed the terms of the debate for so long and created a system that only permits this very narrow political discourse. In truth Hilary and Donald represent the same interests - DT is just the explicit, rabid form of that interest. Unfortunately, his thick as two short planks, supporters have been duped into thinking he has their interests at heart and that he is anti-establishment. It is true that he is anti-establishment to a small degree but only in the sense that he is cutting out the fluff from the establishment, the hangers on, and is going straight to the top - those are the people he's going to benefit - certainly not the working or middle classes.

Here it is.

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

But I agree with Veejay - for some people he just provides the opportunity to air their prejudice and hatred.

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Post by Tenez Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:36 pm

TMF the US crowd might be ignorant but what more do we know about real politics?

They may be ignorant but they are a bit less of it than 20, 30 or 40 years ago when they thought life was going to be a long quiet and peaceful river. Since then they lost their jobs to other regions of the world with cheaper labour. They were turned from wealthy citizens into heavily indebted unemployed consumers buying goods from enslaved Asian people. All this so corporations coudl show their shareholders that they are profitable investments.

A government shoudl take care of its people. I am not sure that has been the case in the past. ...Whether Trump will or not, no one knows. We know the previous ones did not.

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Post by Daniel Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:23 am

The problem for TMF is he likes democracy as long as you are voting for socialists.  Typical of today's Left - "I agree with democracy when you agree with me".  Thumbs Up


Anyone else is obviously a racist Nazi homophobe.  It isn't working anymore.

I know someone at the local tennis club who stated "We should never have given the vote for Brexit to the public".  Because his opinion lost.  He doesn't seem to realize he is advocating fascism quite literally, and, I suspect TMF is oblivious of it as well.

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Post by Emancipator Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Err no..

Nice strawman though. I have no problem with Brexit because I believe a lot of the public voted for it for legitimate reasons. Trump on the other hand IS a racist, misogynist and all around imcompetent buffoon by his own words and actions. Hence, when 'Brexiteers' laud this clown they lose all credibility in my eyes. I can understand how out of a choice between the awful Clinton lead democrats and Trump, a US citizen might choose the latter, but I cannot comprehend how any reasonable, rational person outside of that demographic can legitimately claim that Trump is a good candidate for democracy. Those people show their true colours through this bizarre advocacy.

These same people will be secretly hoping for Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders to gain power - and we know those two are wolves in sheeps clothing (far right extremists).

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Post by Veejay Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:12 pm

terrorist attack in westminster!!
hope that everyone is ok!!

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Post by noleisthebest Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:25 pm

Veejay wrote:terrorist attack in westminster!!
hope that everyone is ok!!

I am alive and typing! Big Grin

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Post by Daniel Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:25 pm

The left must be proud today. A hate preacher who was known to police - and who people like Tommy Robinson warned about - has now killed people.  Yay.  We're so tolerant.  Applause One of the reasons we left the EU is so we can eventually do something about these assholes without the human rights laws being abused to protect them.  I can't wait for the day that the death penalty returns and treasonous people like this Muslim killer are removed from society long before they act on their threats.

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Post by Daniel Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:37 pm

That's how crippled by liberalism our sorry nation is.  That treason is now protected as a human right.  Laugh  Cheers, TMF  Thumbs Up

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Post by Veejay Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:29 pm

... wrote:
Veejay wrote:terrorist attack in westminster!!
hope that everyone is ok!!

I am alive and typing! Big Grin
happy to hear that!!
so sad to hear about those poor french school kids,after all the horrid attacks in france,they come here to to experience it here too  Sad

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Post by Veejay Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:37 pm

Daniel wrote:The left must be proud today. A hate preacher who was known to police - and who people like Tommy Robinson warned about - has now killed people.  Yay.  We're so tolerant.  Applause One of the reasons we left the EU is so we can eventually do something about these assholes without the human rights laws being abused to protect them.  I can't wait for the day that the death penalty returns and treasonous people like this Muslim killer are removed from society long before they act on their threats.
yes daniel,the left are fully to blame for the actions of others,just like youre to blame for all the lies spewing from trumps mouth... * rolls eyes*

i am all for making sure that criminals are brought to justice and are given the right punishment but capital punishment doesnt deter anyone from committing heinous crimes
thats been proven in the states time and time again
most of these terrorists want to die as martyrs anyway so its not as fitting a punishment as you think

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Post by Veejay Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:44 pm

the ironic thing that the likes of you and katie hopkins fail to realise is that youre no different then those muslims who become radicalised 
you all spew your hatred and intolerance and praise those who give you a voice for your prejudice
typical trump like supporters who blame everyone but themselves for their problems 
what has katie hopkins ever done to make this world a better place?
fuck all if you ask me,all she ever does is open her big mouth and criticise with her negativity
but has she ever offered a genuine,unselfish or real solution to everything that she always feels the need to give her opinion on? NO
she thrives on winding people up with her controversial rubbish,i'll admit that i get a kick out of winding people up too,but the difference here is that she is using a platform that potentially could influence millions of people to voice her hatred and prejudice..that is incredibly dangerous.you tell me what the difference is between her preaching hatred and anti-everything in the daily mail and a muslim doing the same in a mosque? not much if you ask me
her actions does nothing but give more muslims a reason to become radicalised in the same way that the terror attacks in the name of islam causes people to become extreme and anti -islam and so the cycle of hatred continues

the world is a smaller place today,we all have to coexist.there simply is no other option but to try and get along while living together so tolerance, acceptance and understanding is the only way forward
you can put the  blame elsewhere on the liberals all you want.if you feel so strongly about your hatred and intolerance then perhaps we should round all you extremists up and send you off to the south pole where you can kill each other to your hearts content and let the rest of us who want to live together in peace get on with living
frankly i think the world would be a better place without you lot

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Post by Veejay Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:54 am

abu-katie hopkins trashing her own country on fox news...
what a muppet 
let me ask you daniel and abu katie hopkins...what is your alternative to what is already a multi cultured society?
how on earth can you possibly go back from that now?

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-dale-tells-katie-hopkins-london-is-not-cowed/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral

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Post by Tenez Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:08 am

Jesus: "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;..."

Not very nice is it? Do you really think Prophets have just a peace and love message?

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:00 pm

Tenez wrote:Jesus: "For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;..."

Not very nice is it? Do you really think Prophets have just a peace and love message?

Jesus talks about spiritual warfare , separating wheat from the chaff.
Better to quote a few verses around:

Christ Brings Division
49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

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Post by Tenez Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:40 pm

Spiritual warfare doesn't make it any nicer, does it? it seems almost worst to me as this leads to teh physical one!. And what about when He comes back? I read He was not going to be very tender.

Also Moses:
Exodus 32:25-28 (NASB)
Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.

I find it annoying to read those constant my "Prophet is better than yours".

It's interesting to read that those prophets had great regards with one another. Jesus never said a bad word about Moses and Muhammed never criticised Jesus nor Moses.

Only blind men see discord and they are the same who create divide amongst them.

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:09 pm

Daniel wrote:That's how crippled by liberalism our sorry nation is.  That treason is now protected as a human right.  Laugh  Cheers, TMF  Thumbs Up

What are you thanking me for, you idiot.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:56 pm

Tenez wrote:Spiritual warfare doesn't make it any nicer, does it? it seems almost worst to me as this leads to teh physical one!. And what about when He comes back? I read He was not going to be very tender.

Also Moses:
Exodus 32:25-28 (NASB)
Now when Moses saw that the people were out of control—for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies—then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. He said to them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, ‘Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.’ ” So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day.

I find it annoying to read those constant my "Prophet is better than yours".

It's interesting to read that those prophets had great regards with one another. Jesus never said a bad word about Moses and Muhammed never criticised Jesus nor Moses.

Only blind men see discord and they are the same who create divide amongst them.

I am sorry, I don't see your point.

Jesus is coming back and Mohamed is not.

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Post by Veejay Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:25 pm

i dont see what that has to do with liberalism or multiculturalism or blaming liberalism or multiculturalism for terrorist attacks
nor do i see a solution anywhere in your response to any of the problems above or what you may deem as the problem
terrorism is like crime,its something that will always potentially happen.its something that needs to be fought or try to prevent from happening,but its a war that will never be won as it will forever be ongoing
30-40 years ago london faced terrorism and had terrorist attacks from the IRA,today we face a threat from those who claim to be muslims and doing the work of their god allah
if you take that out of the equation terrorist attacks will happen for some other political or religious reason 
for this reason so i dont see how or why the blame lies with liberal minded people who believe that everyone can live together in peace and harmony
the reason why we dont is because of cancers to our society,like trump,abu-katie hopkins and muslim hate preachers like abu izzadeen
no one is born a terrorist,a hater or a racist,if people can be taught to hate,they can just as easily be taught to love and live together

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Post by Emancipator Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:31 pm

Veejay wrote:
i dont see what that has to do with liberalism or multiculturalism or blaming liberalism or multiculturalism for terrorist attacks
nor do i see a solution anywhere in your response to any of the problems above or what you may deem as the problem
terrorism is like crime,its something that will always potentially happen.its something that needs to be fought or try to prevent from happening,but its a war that will never be won as it will forever be ongoing
30-40 years ago london faced terrorism and had terrorist attacks from the IRA,today we face a threat from those who claim to be muslims and doing the work of their god allah
if you take that out of the equation terrorist attacks will happen for some other political or religious reason 
for this reason so i dont see how or why the blame lies with liberal minded people who believe that everyone can live together in peace and harmony
the reason why we dont is because of cancers to our society,like trump,abu-katie hopkins and muslim hate preachers like abu izzadeen
no one is born a terrorist,a hater or a racist,if people can be taught to hate,they can just as easily be taught to love and live together

Veejay, lots of good and reasonable posts. Terrorism does not belong to any one group. 99% of terrorist violence in the US is carried out by non muslims - mostly fundamentalist Christians and right wing extremists. But the reporting does not reflect that.

It worries me as a person of no particular faith that this endless war and hatred is promoted and promulgated by hate preachers on both sides. The inevitable conclusion is an endless war with mutual destruction of all civilisation guaranteed. You cannot declare a war on a quarter of the world's population and expect to win. The mindless haters care not for the future of our world - they are obsessed with hating the 'other'. But this attitude only ferments the hatred and if I'm honest, as a westerner, I see more general hatred directed towards muslims than the other way around. As the son of a Lebanese Christian (and English mother) I've lived for long periods in different Middle Eastern countries (I also speak Arabic) and I can honestly say that I have NEVER been subjected to any kind of hatred from ordinary muslims.

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Post by Veejay Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:02 pm

TMF wrote:
Veejay wrote:
i dont see what that has to do with liberalism or multiculturalism or blaming liberalism or multiculturalism for terrorist attacks
nor do i see a solution anywhere in your response to any of the problems above or what you may deem as the problem
terrorism is like crime,its something that will always potentially happen.its something that needs to be fought or try to prevent from happening,but its a war that will never be won as it will forever be ongoing
30-40 years ago london faced terrorism and had terrorist attacks from the IRA,today we face a threat from those who claim to be muslims and doing the work of their god allah
if you take that out of the equation terrorist attacks will happen for some other political or religious reason 
for this reason so i dont see how or why the blame lies with liberal minded people who believe that everyone can live together in peace and harmony
the reason why we dont is because of cancers to our society,like trump,abu-katie hopkins and muslim hate preachers like abu izzadeen
no one is born a terrorist,a hater or a racist,if people can be taught to hate,they can just as easily be taught to love and live together

Veejay, lots of good and reasonable posts. Terrorism does not belong to any one group. 99% of terrorist violence in the US is carried out by non muslims - mostly fundamentalist Christians and right wing extremists. But the reporting does not reflect that.

It worries me as a person of no particular faith that this endless war and hatred is promoted and promulgated by hate preachers on both sides. The inevitable conclusion is an endless war with mutual destruction of all civilisation guaranteed. You cannot declare a war on a quarter of the world's population and expect to win. The mindless haters care not for the future of our world - they are obsessed with hating the 'other'. But this attitude only ferments the hatred and if I'm honest, as a westerner, I see more general hatred directed towards muslims than the other way around. As the son of a Lebanese Christian (and English mother) I've lived for long periods in different Middle Eastern countries (I also speak Arabic) and I can honestly say that I have NEVER been subjected to any kind of hatred from ordinary muslims.
good points and I totally agree with everything you say TMF

the overwhelming majority of muslims around the world are good honest people with no malicious intent or malice intentions
I don't condone the terror attacks or try to justify it by saying that I can sometimes see where the hatred comes from
i.e did everyone really think that you could just invade Iraq and that no one was going to retaliate?


Does Katie hopkins and her followers really think that the world would be terror free and that we wont see any more terrorist attacks if we were to hypothetically rid the world of all muslims and islam? only an idiot would believe that.i can guarantee you that we will continue to see terrorist attacks for some other kind of ideology,political agenda or financial gain
abu-katie Hopkins can laugh and mock at all the vigils and hashtags..saying that it doesn't stop terrorism...who ever said that it did??
its living proof that the human race has compassion and that people around the world can put their differences aside and unite as 1 in solidarity...I mean since when was being sympathetic towards victims of a terror attack something so wrong that you should be ashamed of?
and then they say or believe that multiculturalism or being liberal-minded is the real evil in this world erm

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Post by Veejay Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:08 pm

things going from bad to worse for trump
I said this before..that being president is the exact kind of wake up call his huge ego needs
his "only I can" has been nothing but "only I cant"
funny and should have seen it coming considering that no one ever knows better them him..
getting rid of Obama care literally means life and death for many many people

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-robert-reich-walking-catastrophe-secretary-labor-latest-a7649366.html

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:59 pm

We still doing this thread? 

Nitb, Russia sucks, on drugs and all, you know it Laugh

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Post by Daniel Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:22 pm

Tenez wrote:It's not Russians hacking which helped Trump. It;s the content of what was hacked which was the real problem.

Again you do not wish to see the real problems here....same with the real racial issues.

Holy shit, I actually have common ground with you somewhere, Tenez. Just spotted this.  Thumbs Up

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Post by Daniel Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:26 pm

Tenez wrote:Actually I like to think I am a bit remote from those kind of papers' extreme liberal views which leads to another form of dictatorship.

and I really dislike lobbies, whether LGBT/gender, ethnics, religious or political. They are real cause of racism or just discriminaition even though they claim they are created to fight it.

It's another trap billions fall in cause most are unable to see the other side of the coin.

OK, Tenez.  I might not agree with you at all on most tennis issues, but at least you are mostly sound on politics.  Cheers

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Post by Daniel Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:40 am

http://www.firstpost.com/world/london-attack-why-no-amount-of-political-correctness-will-save-the-world-from-islamist-terrorism-3350526.html

Although it ignores that Muhammad killed and conquered.


Veejay wrote:
Tenez wrote:The fact is the more power you are meant to have...the less power you actually have. Look at Obama...he was powerless and everything he did was pretty much in Bush's line. 

Trump won;t be any different....he coudl be worse if anything. 
the "power" is just an illusion,the presidents are just puppets who have to do as they are told
trump seems to be practicing and flexing his "power" at the moment but i dont know how long that will last for...i dont expect much longer after his inauguration 
i reckon he wont even be allowed to have a twitter account anymore after that  Laugh

lol. The obvious question to you is: why do you care so much and go on rants about Trump being president if you think being president doesn't matter?  The answer is because you are a leftist who has no idea what he is on about. Self delusion. Self hatred. Mental illness.  Facts don't matter to you.  You think the world operates like a bad Hollywood film.  You have a totally child-like grasp of politics and the world. Get out more.

Also, you were wrong about Twitter like you are wrong about almost everything politically.  Wah
The reason Trump uses Twitter and social media is to bypass the shameful media, who lie about what he says relentlessly and campaigned blatantly and unconstitutionally for Hillary. And that's why you are angry that he uses Twitter. You are a bad person, because you are anti-free speech. Like TMF, you only give a toss about freedom and voting when it benefits YOU and what YOU feel. Trump wants to connect directly with the public, and in your crazy world this is a bad thing.  And you were obviously hoping it would be stopped. And only because you want Trump silenced. Sort yourself out. It's not healthy to think like you do.

JahuOh good, Junkies, racists and dumb fuks Unite for Trump!!!

Any vote is a good vote for Trump I guess, I'm sure all KKK idiots will volunteer to dig the Mexico wall for free and guard it too.

Black days are coming for this lost planet.


Oh, look, it's another Leftist calling people (nearly half of American voters) racists and junkies.  Not to mention most junkies will be voting Dem because they are categorically softer on crime and on drugs. There is a reason Trump wants to build a wall and Dems don't.  It's about drugs and crime.

But, yeah, just shout racist like a kid.  This picture for Jahu, one more time:

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Post by Emancipator Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:53 pm

You're clearly a bit of a dimwit.

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Post by Daniel Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:04 pm

I'm afraid intellectual arguments rely on more than that, Leftie.  Big Grin

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Post by Jahu Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:14 pm

So who's winning this thread?

Pro-Trump or anti-trump posters?

Can't understand half of this text here, heavy duty stuff  Laugh

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Post by Veejay Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:13 pm

Daniel wrote:I deal in facts and adult politics, so you won't find me responding to you on this again.  Get clued up  Thumbs Up
i thought that you said that you wont be responding to me on this thread anymore..  Laugh
you just cant help yourself can you?
just like your childish idol on twitter...just throw a little bait and watch the reaction..
you 2 muppets fall straight into every single time  Laugh

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