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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by luvsports! on Fri May 13, 2016 12:02 pm

Good news for you nitb.
Pouille through to the sf after Mug-onaco withdraws, sending him up to 31 in the rankings.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 12:48 pm

Tenez wrote:Nadal/Djoko are playing today.

A tough one to call.

We know on normal circumstances Djoko would win this one comfy. However he is tired and has struggled v robert and Bellu. Nadal will sniff that blood and will want to seize that opportunity to plant a seed in Djoko's mind before the FO.

Against anyone else, Djoko may have not given 100% today and not minded losing. But against Nadal he will fight to the last breath.

Should be an interesting match.

I will favour Nadal overall as Djoko will refuse to go on the long rallies and will have to pull many great shots to avoid the running....and we know usually what happens in such circumstances.
Let me guess...you have put £20 on Nadal. Winking

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 12:52 pm

luvsports! wrote:Good news for you nitb.
Pouille through to the sf after Mug-onaco withdraws, sending him up to 31 in the rankings.
Good news indeed!

Pouille is not rushing, he is building his tennis step by step. I think his coach is a big part of it - such a laid-back character.

really like him - a positive, nice attitude and brave player.  He is making bottom half of the draw interesting and exciting.
ALLEEEEEZ!!! diva

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What on earth happened to Berdych yesterday?
Double bagel from Goffin! Yikes

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 1:01 pm

luvsports! wrote:Good news for you nitb.
Pouille through to the sf after Mug-onaco withdraws, sending him up to 31 in the rankings.

How many times have we seen a LL do very well in a tournament...here it is indeed a very lucky series for him.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 1:04 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Nadal/Djoko are playing today.

A tough one to call.

We know on normal circumstances Djoko would win this one comfy. However he is tired and has struggled v robert and Bellu. Nadal will sniff that blood and will want to seize that opportunity to plant a seed in Djoko's mind before the FO.

Against anyone else, Djoko may have not given 100% today and not minded losing. But against Nadal he will fight to the last breath.

Should be an interesting match.

I will favour Nadal overall as Djoko will refuse to go on the long rallies and will have to pull many great shots to avoid the running....and we know usually what happens in such circumstances.
Let me guess...you have put £20 on Nadal. Winking
Nope cause too many uncertainties here.


So far I am £78 positive (£178 in total) with my initial bet. I do not intend to bet again if/when I lose my initial £100. I want to see how far it is going to take me and for that one needs a cool head.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 1:09 pm

Nadal v Djoko past 10 meetings : 1/9 !!!!

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 1:30 pm

Apparently, Goffin played superbly. Hopefully he can sustain it!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:10 pm

Just saw the score 6:1 for Murray....looks very windy.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:15 pm

Murray's tennis is just brute force.

It must be a great pleasure to make him run. Winking

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:34 pm

Goffin's shot speed is impressive - all clean striking, no muscle.

Unfortunately still makes some cheap mistakes. Sad

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:36 pm

I read that Murray wants to brong Lendl back.

Would be a smart move.

Then we'd have Becker and Lendl all over again Cool


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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 2:43 pm

It's a shame it's so windy. It really helps the big arms over talent.

Listening to French commentator...they are 100% behind Goffin.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:51 pm

Yes, wind suits Murray in every way.

Despite that, Goffin squandered many chances. He panics.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 2:52 pm

Nishi/Goffin same problem. Physically too weak...meaning they get mentally weaker.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 2:53 pm

Pouile-Murray will be interesting.

Lucas is not a nervous player. Just lacks experience.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 3:12 pm

Tenez wrote:Nishi/Goffin same problem. Physically too weak...meaning they get mentally weaker.
Compared to Nishi, Goffin has a big heart and doesn't wilt away under pressure.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 3:13 pm

Watching  long CC rallies here, it's obvious that balls need to be changed.

You can't expect 5 exquisite shots to come back like they are some easy moonballs.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 3:27 pm

And like in good old days...

IDEMO NOLE MAJSTOREEEEEEE!!!! diva love tennisball

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 3:42 pm

Nadal standing too far back again.

Can't get away with it nowadays.

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 3:49 pm

Tenez wrote:Nadal standing too far back again.

Can't get away with it nowadays.
Yes...banking on heavy weather conditions, wind...and Bernardes.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 4:14 pm

Djoko is tired. I am not he has it in him today.

Having said that we know Nadal will tire too and then it might be easier for Djoko.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 4:24 pm

Nole is in a win-win position here.
If he wins, he keeps the aura.
If he loses, he still keeps the aura but reduces pressure for RG significantly.

I am also in a  win-win position on bet 365 Winking.
Put all the money on Nole when the odds were 5/4
If he wins I make £16.50 and if he loses that's my betting adventure finished for 2016...smiley

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 4:40 pm

What a BH from Nole for 5:4!!!!!

Quantum shot  Winking

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 4:52 pm

Tenez wrote:Nadal v Djoko past 10 meetings : 1/9 !!!!
Yes, and you can see how that H2H worked for Nole even with his tired B edition.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 4:53 pm

It's strange to see the "greatest player ever on clay" not able to beat a worn out Djoko.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 5:52 pm

TB...now watch the long rallies to kill Nadal!

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 13, 2016 6:05 pm

At 4/2 for nadal in teh socond I cannot resist putting £20 to Djoko winning teh second set at 3.0. Of course nadal ends up serving for teh set and having 5 SPs!!!

That was a roller coaster.....
...but just found out that I had not confirmed the bet....Gutted!

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 6:09 pm

Tenez wrote:At 4/2 for nadal in teh socond I cannot resist putting £20 to Djoko winning teh second set at 3.0. Of course nadal ends up serving for teh set and having 5 SPs!!!

That was a roller coaster.....
...but just found out that I had not confirmed the bet....Gutted!
Laugh


Well, at least I won mine.

We'll take it as a win for OTF. smiley

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Post by Veejay on Fri May 13, 2016 7:11 pm

No one beats a healthy Nadal

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Post by ... on Fri May 13, 2016 9:04 pm

Nishi has lovely shots, but I prefer Thiem's game.

There is an element of full on red-blooded aggression in it, he is always pressing forward.

Nishi is in love with his ball-striking, just ping-ponging it from the baseline.

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Post by Daniel on Fri May 13, 2016 9:44 pm

Nadal is the most brainless player I've ever seen. He just continues the same doomed approach against a player who laps up the baseline play and can do it as well as, if not better, than Nadal. But that's what you get for having such a one dimensional game.

Federer was rather closed minded to stick with the same doomed approach to Nadal/Djok when he got older and was out of his prime, but Nadal has always been brainless and shows no intention of ever changing things up. Does he think that he can dominate Djokovic by continuing with the same approach?

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 14, 2016 2:07 pm

When Nadal was in his prime, he did actually change up his game against Djokovic- in 2011-2012 he lost 7 matches in a row, but in the next 7 matches he made changes and won 6, losing only 1.
The changes were subtle, obviously he didn't start serving and volleying (and frankly in these conditions that would be suicidal against Djoko anyway); but he changed the patterns of rallies up with more forehands up the line, more on the body serves rather than out wide, and hitting the backhand with more angle. I've watched many matches more than once, so I have been able to analyse closely.

At the moment he's clearly declined, and simply isn't close to Djokovic's level. I'm a Nadal fan, but frankly it's delusional to not acknowledge that.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 14, 2016 2:08 pm

Also as you yourself pointed out FK, Federer should have changed up his tactical play against Nadal- for example he should have tried to turn more onto his forehand for Nadal's second serve instead of the backhand chipped return which was into Nadal's strike zone.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 14, 2016 2:09 pm

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by legendkillar on Sat May 14, 2016 2:19 pm

Rumour is Federer will skip the FO.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 14, 2016 2:54 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:When Nadal was in his prime, he did actually change up his game against Djokovic- in 2011-2012 he lost 7 matches in a row, but in the next 7 matches he made changes and won 6, losing only 1.
The changes were subtle, obviously he didn't start serving and volleying (and frankly in these conditions that would be suicidal against Djoko anyway); but he changed the patterns of rallies up with more forehands up the line, more on the body serves rather than out wide, and hitting the backhand with more angle. I've watched many matches more than once, so I have been able to analyse closely.

At the moment he's clearly declined, and simply isn't close to Djokovic's level. I'm a Nadal fan, but frankly it's delusional to not acknowledge that.

I disagree actually. Djoko went off the boil post 2011. Nadal always has the same game cause simply one cannot turn a Nadal into a McEnroe.

Nadal was never better than Djoko since 2011. Djoko just played some bad matches like his 2013 FO loss. Despite nadal winning ,it was Djoko who lost it. Nadal was his usual scrapping all around the court hoping for mistakes which Djoko gave him when he had that point for double break in that 5th......despite playing himself very poorly.

But like a typical fan you will only remember the win. Like yesterday had Nadal converted one of those 5 SP, you woudl have changed your mind about Nadal's level.

Nadal himself says it was one of his best match...though he did not realise that Djoko was tired.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 14, 2016 2:58 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Also as you yourself pointed out FK, Federer should have changed up his tactical play against Nadal- for example he should have tried to turn more onto his forehand for Nadal's second serve instead of the backhand chipped return which was into Nadal's strike zone.

More nonsense from you two!

If you have mooball coming to your SBH, there is no choice but going for risky shots which Federer took on very well usually but teh difference is a fitness one. Federer was always ended  tiring and started to miss but for Fed there was no choice, either executing perfectly for 3 sets or being dragged to rallying against bizarrely fit player.

Only another bizarrely fit player can beat nadal. Until you guys understand that you have little clue about tennis.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 14, 2016 3:22 pm

Tenez I watched these matches many times, and kept a very close eye on Nadal's tactical changes, it's not my opinion it's just an obvious observation on the subtle changes Nadal made.
Of course it's fair to see what Djokovic did wrong as well, and it's true that after 2011 his backhand down the line has not been as lethal as it was in 2011, and that may have cost him in some big matches.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 14, 2016 3:24 pm

Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Also as you yourself pointed out FK, Federer should have changed up his tactical play against Nadal- for example he should have tried to turn more onto his forehand for Nadal's second serve instead of the backhand chipped return which was into Nadal's strike zone.

More nonsense from you two!

If you have mooball coming to your SBH, there is no choice but going for risky shots which Federer took on very well usually but teh difference is a fitness one. Federer was always ended  tiring and started to miss but for Fed there was no choice, either executing perfectly for 3 sets or being dragged to rallying against bizarrely fit player.

Only another bizarrely fit player can beat nadal. Until you guys understand that you have little clue about tennis.

You get upset when anyone criticises Federer's tactics even slightly, I hope you're ok here Tenez, look the thing is most Federer fans even agree with me that Federer should have tried to change it up against Nadal and take the ball on his forehand more on his backhand side while returning serve.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 14, 2016 3:37 pm

No I don't get upset because one criticises fed's tactic. It's just that it has nothing to do with "tactics".

Federer has pulverised Nadal on every courts including clay. Problem is that he coudl not physically sustain it.

Djoko can and you can see teh difference.

Tactic is one aspect of the game. But it is not the most important when you play a fitter player.

You have been in denial from day one that Nadal's strength was his fitness. Everybody sees that but you. Well you recognise it I guess but don't think it is the reason he has won all those matches when frankly it was only that!

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 3:43 pm

Pouille could've taken a bit more from today's match, he looked unnecessarily nervous.

Anyway, great week for him overall, plenty of things to work on and I am sure he will, especially as he now has a fitness coach, too.

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 3:47 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Tenez I watched these matches many times, and kept a very close eye on Nadal's tactical changes, it's not my opinion it's just an obvious observation on the subtle changes Nadal made.
Of course it's fair to see what Djokovic did wrong as well, and it's true that after 2011 his backhand down the line has not been as lethal as it was in 2011, and that may have cost him in some big matches.  
BHDTL is a high risk shot and players don't go for it unless they have to. You need to have enough time to execute it, perfect footwork etc...

These days, you can do everything much more efficiently with CC shots privided you are fit enough to last.

Only very talented players have the confidence to play DTL shots at will.

Yesterday, Nole was making Nadal run with CC shots with ease. Why risk?

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 3:58 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:If anyone is an employee of SkyBet, I heavily advise starting to make trips to JobCentrePlus from now.

What's your tip on Nole-Nishi?

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 4:05 pm

FedererKing wrote:Nadal is the most brainless player I've ever seen.  He just continues the same doomed approach against a player who laps up the baseline play and can do it as well as, if not better, than Nadal.  But that's what you get for having such a one dimensional game.

Federer was rather closed minded to stick with the same doomed approach to Nadal/Djok when he got older and was out of his prime, but Nadal has always been brainless and shows no intention of ever changing things up.  Does he think that he can dominate Djokovic by continuing with the same approach?

I don't think Nadal is brainless.
His game is dull, but it worked for a long time and brought him FOURTEEN SLAMS!!!
It still does. Isn't he 2nd in the ATP race this year?

Nadal and Murray will be the first to pounce if/when Nole isn't playing.

I am still undecided who'd win in the best of 5 if they met on Chatrier (Nadal and Murray).




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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 14, 2016 4:56 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Pouille could've taken a bit more from today's match, he looked unnecessarily nervous.

Anyway, great week for him overall, plenty of things to work on and I am sure he will, especially as he now has a fitness coach, too.
it was disappointing. It think it was 2 all in the first set, was leading 40/0 on his serve and got broken. It broke his spirit too.

This is where Murray was always stronger mentally, especially v higher ranked player. Always believed himself to be as good as them, even while he was very young.

I have always thought Murray was strong mentally. He build himself a body and worked had to compensate for many flaws, very much like Djoko in a way. Difficult to see the same spirit with French players. They rely too much on talent.

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 6:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Pouille could've taken a bit more from today's match, he looked unnecessarily nervous.

Anyway, great week for him overall, plenty of things to work on and I am sure he will, especially as he now has a fitness coach, too.
it was disappointing. It think it was 2 all in the first set, was leading 40/0 on his serve and got broken. It broke his spirit too.

This is where Murray was always stronger mentally, especially v higher ranked player. Always believed himself to be as good as them, even while he was very young.

I have always thought Murray was strong mentally. He build himself a body and worked had to compensate for many flaws, very much like Djoko in a way. Difficult to see the same spirit with French players. They rely too much on talent.

I knew he didn't have the best of hands and was not comfortable/experienced at the net, but didn't quite expect the lack of brains he showed (which I partly give him the benefit of the doubt for being nervous).

In fact, Simon is the only cerebral French player I, think.

He allowed Murray to pass him FOUR TIMES IN A ROW in the exactly same way.

Rather than try and lob him he would send a soft volley back on a tray for Murray to finish him off.

And then listlessly shrink within himself even more.

But I think he is not like the rest of French players. Neither is Paire.

The two are just born in the wrong era maybe.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 14, 2016 7:17 pm

What happens if Djoko retires? Do the bets get cancelled?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 7:21 pm

Tenez wrote:What happens if Djoko retires? Do the bets get cancelled?
Hehe that crossed my mind, too.
Yes, of course it gets cancelled.

50/50 for that to happen.

He must be very tired and Nishi's firing on all cylinders.

Plus Murray fresh as a daisy.

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Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 7:22 pm

If we don't see his parents in the box, it means they flew back home. Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 14, 2016 7:24 pm

See how safely and terribly Nishi plays on his 2nd serve?

He is a different player.

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