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Re: Madrid '16

Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 06, 2016 9:37 pm

Tenez wrote:The funny thing is that those 2 have something to sort out since  Murray's doping press scandal. .
What do you mean?

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Re: Madrid '16

Post by Tenez on Fri May 06, 2016 9:56 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Raonic is bad. 

His tennis looks totally disjointed. Probably still not 100%.
I think Djoko's mouvement is what exposes Raonic's main weakness: his own mouvement.


At the peak of his dominance, Federer was sending the ball back fast, Nole is sending it back full stop.
Mouvement!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 06, 2016 10:01 pm

I can't believe Bernardes gave time violation to Raonic...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 06, 2016 10:14 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Raonic is bad. 

His tennis looks totally disjointed. Probably still not 100%.
I think Djoko's mouvement is what exposes Raonic's main weakness: his own mouvement.
But Raonic has covered more ground in this match.
At the end of the day it's who controls the centre baseline that matters.
It will be a good match against Nishi tomorrow as they both love to stand close  to it.

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At the peak of his dominance, Federer was sending the ball back fast, Nole is sending it back full stop.
Mouvement!


When are you going to learn to spell your favourite word? Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 06, 2016 10:28 pm

Raonic is becoming Nole's bunny, like Roddick was to Fed.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 06, 2016 10:52 pm

Draw is out for Rome.
I don't know why it's not on ATP's website yet, but it's here if you scroll down the link.

Nole, Fed & Nadal all in the same half!

Nadal in Nole's quarter, Nishi in Fed's.

The other half is peanuts.

http://sport.blic.rs/tenis/vrebaju-rafa-i-federer-paklen-raspored-za-novaka-u-rimu/d8hswxc

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 1:17 am

Not trying to jinx here- but I genuinely have never been more certain of a match than Murray vs Nadal tomorrow.

Nadal is simply not close to his best, he's playing ok for the last few weeks, but he's still losing sets to players like Sousa who he would crush at his best. Murray has adjusted well to clay now, and playing better than he did at Monte Carlo.

I've not only bet on Murray to win, but have asked my friends to do so too. I've never been so confident that both me and the people who trust me in betting will win- easy money!

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 1:24 am

Just watching highlights of Murray vs Nadal from Madrid last year, I expect something similar to happen tomorrow, except it will be indoors which favours Murray further.
I actually feel sorry for the betting companies, they don't cater for people like me who know tennis inside out, I don't bet unless I'm certain. I've taken huge amounts from them, and that's going to continue tomorrow!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 7:04 am

Last time they played I said I was sure Murry would win teh first set and he did.

I'd say the same here. Afterwards it's a bit harder to gauge.

Strangely the odds for Murray winning the 1 set are the same as for Murray winning the whole match. It is in this discrepancy that money can be made.

Having said DT, you are a bit of clown when you say he is way off his best. What else was he doing better in that first set bagel yesterday? or versus Nishi in Barca?



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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 8:56 am

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Not trying to jinx here- but I genuinely have never been more certain of a match than Murray vs Nadal tomorrow.

Nadal is simply not close to his best, he's playing ok for the last few weeks, but he's still losing sets to players like Sousa who he would crush at his best. Murray has adjusted well to clay now, and playing better than he did at Monte Carlo.

I've not only bet on Murray to win, but have asked my friends to do so too. I've never been so confident that both me and the people who trust me in betting will win- easy money!

The problem is, you only look at Nadal and don't consider the opponent.

He is striking the ball better than ever, esp on his BH...even his serve has gone up in
muscle power.

But!

He is not confident closer to the baseline (yet) so he can't dominate and "crush" the opponents like in the past. Simply has less time there.

Here is some homework for when you play next Winking - try to move a meter in from where you normally receive and see what difference standing closer actually makes - then you'll understand how much tougher it is for Nadal now.

He is getting closer & made big progress in the last year bringing his practice tennis to the court.

I am actually curious to see how far he can go with it, whether he will ever become comfortable on the baseline.

Remember, he was more or less the only player who stood 4m back while all other players were on or close to it, so everyone else is comfortable there, much more comfortable than Nadal.

He only moved forward because he had to, could not physically sustain the old game any more.

Add 3-4 years of timing on everyone's ball-striking and you can see why many are winning sets off him now.

Tennis is not static.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 11:51 am

Tenez wrote:Last time they played I said I was sure Murry would win teh first set and he did.

I'd say the same here. Afterwards it's a bit harder to gauge.

Strangely the odds for Murray winning the 1 set are the same as for Murray winning the whole match. It is in this discrepancy that money can be made.

Having said DT, you are a bit of clown when you say he is way off his best. What else was he doing better in that first set bagel yesterday? or versus Nishi in Barca?

Well yes he was good for the bagel, that was 20 minutes he played good tennis, and then he went on to play crap. When he was at his best he could sustain good play for more than 20 minutes.

Also I'm pretty sure I'm driving SkyBet into bankruptcy at this rate, it's not even betting, it's more like a robbery; I'm basically taking money from this company at will.

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Re: Madrid '16

Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 12:27 pm

I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 12:45 pm

As the commentator was saying, More and more players can handle Nadal's spin which used to bring him so many points through UEs in the past.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:00 pm

Tenez wrote:I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

Very silly indeed! Murray broken while serving at 5/3!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:12 pm

Murray's FH is so average...that is his Achilles heel.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:14 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Murray's FH is so average...that is his Achilles heel.
But who cares....the battle is good!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
Tenez wrote:I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

Very silly indeed! Murray broken while serving at 5/3!!!

Who's a happy chappy? Winking

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:20 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Murray's FH is so average...that is his Achilles heel.

It's not average. It's under average.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:21 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Tenez wrote:I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

Very silly indeed! Murray broken while serving at 5/3!!!

Who's a happy chappy? Winking

Yes...nice one! But I feel I deserved it. A bit of a roller coaster.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:22 pm

However I am not sure Murray has got it in the legs to win another set.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:25 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Tenez wrote:I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

Very silly indeed! Murray broken while serving at 5/3!!!

Who's a happy chappy? Winking

Yes...nice one! But I feel I deserved it. A bit of a roller coaster.

I really ink the stress is not worth it unless you are putting down some serious money.

I remember last year I nearly died watching Agut win a TB from 1:5 down.
I think I made about £125 just on the TB.

So not any more for me.
Just put £10 on Murray to win the match, so I'll,take my £14.50 now... smiley

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:28 pm

Tenez wrote:However I am not sure Murray has got it in the legs to win another set.

I think he does, so long as he survives this fist game. Nadal is throwing everything at him, and we know he is a great bluffer.


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Re: Madrid '16

Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:34 pm

Those guys have no chance v Djoko. Sad but it's not even going to be close.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:36 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Tenez wrote:I was silly enough to put £50 on Murray to win the first set...at 2.3!

Very silly indeed! Murray broken while serving at 5/3!!!

Who's a happy chappy? Winking

Yes...nice one! But I feel I deserved it. A bit of a roller coaster.

I really ink the stress is not worth it unless you are putting down some serious money.

I remember last year I nearly died watching Agut win a TB from 1:5 down.
I think I made about £125 just on the TB.

So not any more for me.
Just put £10 on Murray to win the match, so I'll,take my £14.50 now... smiley
It was my first bet in 3 years I believe.

But I quite like it. Even if I lose I feel it is a "cheap" lesson as I will not be tempted to try to recover it.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:37 pm

I decided this morning to put £100 in betfair and see where it was going to lead me.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:41 pm

Tenez wrote:
But I quite like it. Even if I lose I feel it is a "cheap" lesson as I will not be tempted to try to recover it.

I admit it's fun, so long as you are comfortable with the amounts you're playing with.
I found it's also a thing of confidence, you need a winning streak, so I am building one now. Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:47 pm

I just betted what I won on Murray on Kenny de Schepper to beat Lajovic and he did. Big Grin

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 1:52 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I just betted what I won on Murray on Kenny de Schepper to beat Lajovic and he did. Big Grin

Good. SO you are a real addict! Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 1:58 pm

This match is Murray's to lose.
Nadal's starting to pull the trigger first...on his BH. Yikes

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 2:01 pm

Murray is playing poorly by his own standard. Had he been a bit more in form, he woudl have ran away with this match.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 2:02 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I just betted what I won on Murray on Kenny de Schepper to beat Lajovic and he did. Big Grin

Good. SO you are a real addict! Winking

A rehabilitated one! Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 2:28 pm

Well, you've got to give it t Nadal - the man fights to the bitter end!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 2:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Well, you've got to give it t Nadal - the man fights to the bitter end!
Yes. That has always been that main strength. It saved him from many defeats, gave him so many tournaments....but now those close matches are more often than not ending on the wrong side nowadays.

He was very lucky in so many of his past matches that he ended up winning despite have a W/L points count.

He will still be very difficult to beat him at the FO.

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Re: Madrid '16

Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 2:37 pm

Both players were awful, Murray's big serving on some key points was the difference; Djokovic will beat Murray very easily tomorrow.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 07, 2016 2:37 pm

Nadal converting only 2 out of 13 BPs.....now that players can run with him, the stats get reversed.

Before players felt obliged to risk it all at BPs. Now they have the stamina to pick and choose when attacking.

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 2:38 pm

Murray hit big serves on many of those break points.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 2:40 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Both players were awful, Murray's big serving on some key points was the difference; Djokovic will beat Murray very easily tomorrow.
Hehe, we agree, Donald!

With all that money you robbed betting companies with, you can ease the pain of Nadal's loss by taking that well-earnt Ferrari out of the garage for a spin. Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 2:42 pm

Tenez wrote:Nadal converting only 2 out of 13 BPs.....now that players can run with him, the stats get reversed.

Before players felt obliged to risk it all at BPs. Now they have the stamina to pick and choose when attacking.
He even netted a smash!

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Post by DECIMA on Sat May 07, 2016 2:42 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Both players were awful, Murray's big serving on some key points was the difference; Djokovic will beat Murray very easily tomorrow.
Hehe, we agree, Donald!

With all that money you robbed betting companies with, you can ease the pain of Nadal's loss by taking that well-earnt Ferrari out of the garage for a spin. Winking
I'm not actually Donald Trump, so unfortunately I don't have a Ferrari. However I'm still perplexed at how I haven't sent SkyBet into bankruptcy.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 7:29 pm

Is Nole sevng well or Nishi returning poorly?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 07, 2016 8:30 pm

Nishi's got nice shots in waves, but Nole's clarity of thinking is really impressive.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 08, 2016 8:30 am

But it is getting closer again. Those matches are very valuable for Nishi. However I think until he rides a confidence wave, we are unlikely to see his full potential.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun May 08, 2016 3:43 pm

Yes, it was closer.
But he is still tight and does not have great focus.

You could see he was quite upset after the match and I suppose that's a good sign.

As I said before, he enjoys striking the ball rather than playing it.
Must be the Bolettieri effect.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun May 08, 2016 3:57 pm

Btw, anyone excited about ths evening's final?

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 08, 2016 4:27 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, it was closer.
But he is still tight and does not have great focus.

You could see he was quite upset after the match and I suppose that's a good sign.

As I said before, he enjoys striking the ball rather than playing it.
Must be the Bolettieri effect.

He is currently the most dangerous player for Djokovic.....and that's priceless.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 08, 2016 4:28 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Btw, anyone excited about ths evening's final?

Not at all.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun May 08, 2016 5:41 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Btw, anyone excited about ths evening's final?

Not at all.

Well it is definitely one of the dullest match-ups, but I hope Nole demolishes Murray.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 08, 2016 6:42 pm

It's getting interesting actually though I expect Murray unable to sustain it.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 08, 2016 6:57 pm

who would have believed it?

Murray is serving much better than in the past.

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Post by Daniel on Sun May 08, 2016 7:01 pm

Not really hard to believe. Players have good days and bad days. Djokovic also isn't unbeatable - though you'd never get that impression from reading forums.

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