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Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:12 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/35866641


While we are fighting the age war on the other thread, another war has taken place in the media and in particular in IW.

The "poor" IW director made the mistake to tell the truth and speak his mind.

What's your view again? Mine is changing....again.

I was against, then for and now against again! I woudl not be so much against if it was not for the ladies to revendicate equal money so shamelessly. The figures speak for themselves. roughly 2.5 time more interest in mens tennis than ladies. And yes we may have ladies matches that might be more interesting than mens but all in all...it's not close.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:53 am

Women's tennis is pathetic.
They don't deserve to be even a supporting act let alone get paid half men's money.

Women are boring.

Like in everyday life, it's almost a miracle to find an interesting one to talk to.

This picture sums it for me...


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Post by luvsports! on Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:43 am

Lol. Strong words from nitb.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:03 am

luvsports! wrote:Lol. Strong words from nitb.


Someone's got to say it as it is! Winking

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:17 am

The guy quits (or got sacked) following his remarks.

In a way truth is not always worth being told.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:23 am

Tenez wrote:The guy quits (or got sacked) following his remarks.

In a way truth is not always worth being told.

The way I see it, you either tell the truth or don't say anything.
I agree it's very costly so we must be wise.
There is no other way - the alternative is awful.

That's why all politicians lie and sell their souls somewhere along the way. And not just politicians...wherever there is money and power: pro sport, top jobs etc...

One can only walk upright with the help of God these days.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:35 pm

But there were some good arguments made.

If we allocate money based on popularity, then Nadal woudl make more money than Djoko when they meet.

This to me reveals how important it is for TDs to have the key players....and that clearly explains why draws can be rigged, doping can be covered, and referee might not be partial.

It's a business!

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:45 pm

And an incredibly profitable one at that!

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:00 pm

It's totally wicked that a man had to lose a job because he spoke his mind.

The ugly hipocrisy of "advanced",  liberal West and the immoral agenda they are ramming down everyone's throat.

The guy simply said what 99% of people think, anyway.

Even Nole got hooked in:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2016/03/djokovic-saves-his-unforced-errors-press/57938/#.VvFZIvDfWrU

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:07 pm

Tenez wrote:But there were some good arguments made.

If we allocate money based on popularity, then Nadal woudl make more money than Djoko when they meet.


This to me reveals how important it is for TDs to have the key players....and that clearly explains why draws can be rigged, doping can be covered, and referee might not be partial.

It's a business!
And where would that leave women's tennis?

Biggest bra size, longest legs, loudest panting?

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:37 pm

noleisthebest wrote:It's totally wicked that a man had to lose a job because he spoke his mind.

The ugly hipocrisy of "advanced",  liberal West and the immoral agenda they are ramming down everyone's throat.

The guy simply said what 99% of people think, anyway.

Even Nole got hooked in:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2016/03/djokovic-saves-his-unforced-errors-press/57938/#.VvFZIvDfWrU

And this is the price he had to pay since they were not able to sack him:



Nole...what have you got yourself into...is it REALLY worth it?  Wah

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:08 pm

noleisthebest wrote:It's totally wicked that a man had to lose a job because he spoke his mind.

The ugly hipocrisy of "advanced",  liberal West and the immoral agenda they are ramming down everyone's throat.

The guy simply said what 99% of people think, anyway.

Even Nole got hooked in:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2016/03/djokovic-saves-his-unforced-errors-press/57938/#.VvFZIvDfWrU

I must say it was not very smart to say. You don't tell a fat person he/she is fat..even if true.

Having said that if the fat person tells me he/she is thin, well then I might be tempted to correct him/her.

This is my view about that subject. When I hear the ladies talking about how they deserve that money, I fancy telling them no! However, it might be fair to leave them with equal pay for now....and feel sorry for the guys who really have it harder on their side.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:45 pm

Bottom line is, the guy lost his job for expressing his opinion.
Same as ex-Russian Fed cup captain.

You can pretend this is funny but it isn't.

I am tired of balanced conformists.



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Post by Daniel on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:17 pm

It's a non story being clouded by the usual stupid left and loud mouthed women.

If we want true equality, men and women should compete in the same tournament against one another.  If not, we're already unequal.  It's that simple.  Women do not generate the same income as the men - or the same audience numbers.  The men's game is better across the board and it's not just the physical side.  It's a proven fact that men have better hand eye coordination and spatial awareness (I guess you could also call that physical, since it is a manifestation of the brain). To name a few of the things that men evolved as hunter-gatherers.  Do I like it? No.  Do I avoid the truth? No.

The left and the feminazis need to get over it.  Otherwise, as I said before, let's have full mixed draws and have TRUE "equality".

We aren't equal at sport.  Not by a long chalk.  Women are not doing the same job in tennis and, thus, do not deserve the same pay. And that's before we come to the fact men are playing more sets.

The sooner we ditch leftism and political correctness, the sooner we'll start to heal. We will also avoid more Belgiums.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:52 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:It's totally wicked that a man had to lose a job because he spoke his mind.

The ugly hipocrisy of "advanced",  liberal West and the immoral agenda they are ramming down everyone's throat.

The guy simply said what 99% of people think, anyway.

Even Nole got hooked in:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2016/03/djokovic-saves-his-unforced-errors-press/57938/#.VvFZIvDfWrU

I must say it was not very smart to say. You don't tell a fat person he/she is fat..even if true.

Having said that if the fat person tells me he/she is thin, well then I might be tempted to correct him/her.

This is my view about that subject. When I hear the ladies talking about how they deserve that money, I fancy telling them no! However, it might be fair to leave them with equal pay for now....and feel sorry for the guys who really have it harder on their side.
You were right. Apolgies.

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:42 am

Important to make a distinction between the left and the regressive left.

I can criticise Islam, they, the so called "progressives" defend it to the hilt.

Anti free speech, victimhood, 3rd wave feminism, PC culture - that ain't me.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:46 am

It's interesting that in the early 2000s the WTA generated more income than the ATP. Since the mid 2000s ATP has overtaken WTA. That development might very well turn again when the more interesting rivalries will be on the WTA side. I don't think matches like the recent ATP MS1000 final or the AO final are such great products for which people will want to spend their money.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/11/23/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/ATP-revenue.aspx

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
You were right. Apolgies.
Why this sudden change of view? not very much like you! Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 23, 2016 12:23 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
You were right. Apolgies.
Why this sudden change of view? not very much like you! Winking
Long story.

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Post by Daniel on Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:07 pm

luvsports! wrote:Important to make a distinction between the left and the regressive left.

I can criticise Islam, they, the so called "progressives" defend it to the hilt.

Anti free speech, victimhood, 3rd wave feminism, PC culture - that ain't me.

I think that's trying to distance yourself from your own monster.  These people were born of progressive liberalism - and now they aren't liked, they get rebranded.  I don't think it's fair to do that.  They are your baggage.  Progressive liberalism leads to this. It's a fault of liberalism thinking that leads directly to the "regressive" idiots we have wandering about. Modern liberalism has been all about tolerance and equality - and never about rationality or sanity.

I am, however, happy that a lot of the left are finally standing up against Islam and feminazis.  Once upon a time, this didn't happen.

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:17 pm

Well my "awakening" to all this occurred after the Bill Maher, Sam Harris vs Ben Affleck incident on Real Time in late 2014.

Since then I have found that crowd toxic. 
I see it now as libertarians vs authoritarians. The regressives are all about the latter. I am not exactly a libertarian but I certainly ain't the latter.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:38 pm

Life is about balance and it's certainly not with the Libertarians nor with teh Dictators. However we, as people, have the governments we deserve, be they one or the others. Both lead to failure big time.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:09 pm

I didn't know women and men played with different balls!!!

Interesting incident from last night's Murray's match:

https://streamable.com/1j4t?t=0.1

Murray refused to serve with the "woman's ball" which according to him are : smaller, faster and livelier!

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/tennis/andy-murray-fumes-at-rogue-ball-still-advances-in-miami_sto5408064/story.shtml

That much for his public supoort of feminism....Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:18 pm

Q. Could you talk us through the great ball mystery, please?
ANDY MURRAY: It was just a women's ball. I saw it just before I was about to serve. It's quite off putting because I just missed two balls long. I didn't know if that was one of the balls I used in the last couple points. The women's balls are very different to the men's balls. They're much quicker, smaller, livelier.

Yeah, when you're just about to serve at break point down, you know, you don't want to be using a completely different ball.

So I was just a bit frustrated with that because I didn't know potentially if on of the points before I had used it or not.

Q. How did you find out it was a different ball? Did you hit it and think, Oh, that felt light?
ANDY MURRAY: No. Just as I was about to serve, the Penn logo is in red I think on the women's ball and on the men's ball it's in black.

So, yeah, just saw it as I was about to bounce the ball and realized this isn't...

Q. What did Mohamed say back to you?
ANDY MURRAY: I was just a bit -- I felt like he should have said something to the crowd, because it looked like I was stalling intentionally.

Q. We didn't have a clue, really.
ANDY MURRAY: I said to him, Say to the crowd, because I look like I'm complaining for nothing just now, and I've got the wrong ball that I'm about to serve with at break point.

Yeah, he obviously didn't say anything. It's not his fault. He can't see if it's a women's ball or not. But for the player, it's obviously difficult.

Q. Where did this rouge ball come from? Was it in a flower bed...
ANDY MURRAY: A what? Sorry.

Q. Was it in a flower bed?
ANDY MURRAY: Yeah, I don't know. Possibility. I only saw it when it was in my hand. Possibly. Obviously throughout the day a bunch of balls end up in in the flower beds. Yeah, could have easily come from there. 

 

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Post by paulcz on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:07 am

[quote="noleisthebest"]Women's tennis is pathetic.
They don't deserve to be even a supporting act let alone get paid half men's money.

Women are boring.

Like in everyday life, it's almost a miracle to find an interesting one to talk to.

This picture sums it for me...

[quote]

Women are from Venus and men from Mars, so that there must be any difference Big Grin
There are even worse sports than tennis, that are promoted so much. I can't watch women footbal, hockey, but what can we think of ski jumpers, weightlifters, ultimate fighters. These women Whistle

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:13 am

Professional sport has destroyed women.

But here is my facourite women athlete of all times!



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Post by paulcz on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:20 am

noleisthebest wrote:Professional sport has destroyed women.

But here is my facourite women athlete of all times!



She was a really great sportswoman and I like her also as a great strong person.

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:31 am

luvsports! wrote:
Since then I have found that crowd toxic. 
I see it now as libertarians vs authoritarians. The regressives are all about the latter. I am not exactly a libertarian but I certainly ain't the latter.
Umm, I wouldn't say it's libertarians vs authoritarians, choosing between Ron Paul and those 'safe space' university students... I'd prefer to put my head in a toilet.

I disagree with FK that somehow progressive liberals have to align in any way with the regressive left... I believe in equality and tolerance, and you shouldn't treat someone badly for something they can't change like skin colour... but that still allows criticism of illiberal ideas and criticism of people who hold those views.

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:34 am

Cultural libertarians and authoritarians I should have said.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:39 am

luvsports! wrote:Cultural libertarians and authoritarians I should have said.
What's that?

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:47 pm

luvsports! wrote:Cultural libertarians and authoritarians I should have said.
Ah I see, so you're talking about specifically about cultural and social issues (imo what bernie is standing for about income inequality and campaign finance reform is more important, as you'd agree).

Even then I'm not too sure, how about cultural libertarian vs pragmatic liberal vs authoritarian.
There has to be a space somewhere in between Milo Yiannopolous/his daddy Trump and safe space triggered university students. Ie people who recognise there's a real issue with Islam and texts in the Koran, but don't call for all Muslims to be banned.

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:08 pm

Do you by any chance watch the Rubin Report?
The guests he gets on are brilliant, but he gets steamrolled too easily.

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:25 pm

luvsports! wrote:Do you by any chance watch the Rubin Report?
The guests he gets on are brilliant, but he gets steamrolled too easily.
Yep, I've watched him interview both Milo and Ben Shapiro.
I like him, but agree he needs to be slightly tougher. Milo and Ben were making some totally nonsensical claims in their respective interviews, and you could see on Rubin's face he was like 'err..umm..are you sure' but he didn't make a big deal. And then it's easy for him in those interviews to go back to the talking points that they all agree on 'oh aren't the regressive left so pathetic'- well they are, but not as bad as what Trump and Cruz would do.

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