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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:36 pm

Great drama right to the end!

3rd set TB, go Stan!!!! tennisball

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:39 pm

It's one of the best match I have seen. Amazing rallies.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:42 pm

Yes, but mainly thanks to Stan.

Goffan keeps the ball in play too much for my liking.
Not a classic grinder, just silky.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:43 pm

What a shame for Stan... Sad

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:45 pm

Tenez wrote:It's one of the best match I have seen. Amazing rallies.

I was going to say "only winners and forced errors"....but then that penultimate point of Stan missing the easiest sitter ever......real shame....but happy for Goffin. He needs to get mentally stronger.....like Stan became with the years.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:46 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, but mainly thanks to Stan.

Goffan keeps the ball in play too much for my liking.
Not a classic grinder, just silky.

I don't see l
it like that. he has razor sharp shots actually.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:50 pm

Yes, but what does he do with those razor shots?

Plays percentage tennis from the baseline almost.

He is a nice player, just silky, not much heart.

Poor man's Nishi.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:53 pm

Really I don't see it. Plays lots of dtl shots or very sharp angles.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:58 pm

And since when did you start valuing "angle" shots?

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:01 pm

Now that I've started observing Raonic as a Montnegrin, I can see why he is struggling...tennis is simply the wrong sport for him.

Montenegrins are very proud and dignified, also lazy...it's below them to run and chase...

He is now funny for me to watch rather than irritating.

Really funny in fact.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:And since when did you start valuing "angle" shots?
Always when the are not spiny a la Nadal, Djoko.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:24 pm

I like rads cause she is built like a women tennis player. She doesn't look like a doper at all.

I like Kvitova too. they had a very nice shake of hands at the end of the match. The way it shoudl be.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:52 pm

The only thing I like about Radwanska and Kvitova is they finished so I can watch Nadal-Zverev.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:02 pm

The first time I watch Zverev play!...not bad. quite aggressive....but then again v Nadal....no choice...and easy for a tall player like him.

It's amazing how the new generation is not bothered by Nadal's spin like the older ones were. It shows how much the game evolves.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:03 pm

Have Nadal's shorts gone shorter or are his legs bigger than before?

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:04 pm

Yes, Zverev's grown in confidence, will be quite a beast very soon.

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Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:04 pm

Btw Zver(ev) does mean beast in Russian Yikes

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:09 pm

Larry Elison ordered the spider cam to be in Zverev eye to help his friend rafa! What a joke those US tournaments!

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Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:12 pm

Tenez wrote:Larry Elison ordered the spider cam to be in Zverev eye to help his friend rafa! What a joke those US tournaments!

I noticed HE has also been very Nadal-friendly.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:13 pm

Zverev has a good serve, he has to make use of it this evening.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:14 pm

What is Nadal moaning about with the umpire...what a big girl he is!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:31 pm

And now confidence has left Zverev... disappointing.

Mind you, some of his serves looked on the line and were called out when he got broken.

Davai Sasha!!! diva

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:35 pm

Yes...confidence and luck out!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:43 pm

How did he manage a DF? Doh

It always fries my brain when a good server doublefaults. 
It really is all in the head when it matters...it fascinates me how finely tuned tennis is on the inside.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:57 pm

Very good rallies in that TB. Nadal is playing very well. Running like crazy. But Zverev can hold his own.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:57 pm

Brilliant!

Told you he's a beast! 
Such a dogged competitor. And only 18!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:58 pm

Tenez wrote:Very good rallies in that TB. Nadal is playing very well. Running like crazy. But Zverev can hold his own.

Did you enjoy the angles? Winking

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:01 am

What I like about Zverev, he doesn't do any of that silly clapping for opponents' shots.

Mind you he is playing Nadal.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:09 am

noleisthebest wrote:What I like about Zverev, he doesn't do any of that silly clapping for opponents' shots.

Mind you he is playing Nadal.

He certainly stands far back but can afford it as he has natural power.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

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Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:What I like about Zverev, he doesn't do any of that silly clapping for opponents' shots.

Mind you he is playing Nadal.

He certainly stands far back but can afford it as he has natural power.
They all seem to except Rubi.

I think Rubi and Zverev will be a great rivalry in 3-4 years.

I saw Zverev practise with Nole in Boodles 3 years ago.
He was super-skinny, looked thinner than Rubi because he is taller. His hair was blomder, too. Somebody watching next to me said - he is the next big thing...
All he had even then were those long flat groundstrokes.

So he has improved a lot since then.

I hope he is not drained for the third set. He's shown impressive stamina recently.

Do you think Nadal's soun is easier to handle also because he lifts the ball less as he is closer to the baseline?

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:25 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:What I like about Zverev, he doesn't do any of that silly clapping for opponents' shots.

Mind you he is playing Nadal.

He certainly stands far back but can afford it as he has natural power.
They all seem to except Rubi.

I think Rubi and Zverev will be a great rivalry in 3-4 years.

I saw Zverev practise with Nole in Boodles 3 years ago.
He was super-skinny, looked thinner than Rubi because he is taller. His hair was blomder, too. Somebody watching next to me said - he is the next big thing...
All he had even then were those long flat groundstrokes.

So he has improved a lot since then.

I hope he is not drained for the third set. He's shown impressive stamina recently.

Do you think Nadal's soun is easier to handle also because he lifts the ball less as he is closer to the baseline?
I doubt it will take Zverev 3 or 4 years. Rubi will be harder as he uses much less margins. Confidence will be key.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:31 am

I just find it amazing that someone as young as Rubi is playing like he is in this day and age of tennis.

I am so happy he won in Quimper, even though it's only a challenger it will mean so much for his confidence.

He needs all the encouragement he can get.


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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:57 am

A skinny 18 year old grinding Nadal....wow!

And Cerdic has the cheek to give Zverev time violation at 30:40 on his serve. What a pathetic little worm.

And he holds serve!!! 5:2.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:01 am

A linesman gives Cedric some note on a piece of paper in the changeover, he reads it and his face changes in an instant.

I wish I coukd see what was written on it... Whistle

"Give Zverev 5 footfaults in the next game!"
"Call first two of his first serves out!'

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:08 am

ouch!!! this is painful. and I have to sleep now!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:09 am

What is the matter with everyone tonight!
This is the third time a player has netted an absolute sitter at the net: Stan, Berdych and now Zverev.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

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Tenez wrote:ouch!!! this is painful. and I have to sleep now!
I had to sleep 3 hours ago...

Zverev distressed and on the verge if tears at the handshake. He really threw the match away with that netted volley and never recovered mentally, like Nole when he touched the net in RG.

Nadal jumping like a baboon as if he did something to win the match...

Good night... sleepy

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Daniel on Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:11 am

People ask me why I can't stand that freak - and there's your answer.  He's got no humility.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by luvsports! on Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:50 pm

Good win for Goffin. First masters sf.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:49 pm

luvsports! wrote:Good win for Goffin. First masters sf.

its only the beginning.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:56 pm

I watched a bit...felt sorry for Cilic.
Goffin was mainly retrieving and playing percentage tennis with a rare decent shot now and then.

It's all about retrieving atm.

Attackers are stuffed!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:19 am

noleisthebest wrote:I watched a bit...felt sorry for Cilic.
Goffin was mainly retrieving and playing percentage tennis with a rare decent shot now and then.

It's all about retrieving atm.

Attackers are stuffed!

Goffin is not a retriever. He sends a ball which is pacy enough to make it risky to attack. Cilic goes for broke but can't keep the ball in court. Cilic's shots are powerful enough to shake off any retriever, with his size he could hammer the ball with consistency and hit through the slow pace court....but he can only do it when it's people who send a slower ball. Goffin is half the size, yet has to generate the pace with a better timing and lesser margin.

Goffin is teh more talented one easily there. Had he been as tall as Cilic, with a powerful serve....it woudl have been even more one sided!

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:24 am

Did you see the match?

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Post by ... on Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:37 am

O
Goffin is a nice all court player, but too light weight.

He is the same height as Simon's but not in his league.

Today against Cilic he was retrieving. Cilic was doing the attacking. He is not that cerebral. 

I dunno, Goffin is like a weak cordeal for me. Even some of the really great DTL shots just didn't do the trick.

When I first went to RG I saw him play Nole in 2013, live, he looks much better, very clean shots.

I think the tour has gone more physical since then and he just cant impose himself.
Stan let him off the hook yesterday.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:14 am

noleisthebest wrote:O
Goffin is a nice all court player, but too light weight.

He is the same height as Simon's but not in his league.

Today against Cilic he was retrieving. Cilic was doing the attacking. He is not that cerebral. 

I dunno, Goffin is like a weak cordeal for me. Even some of the really great DTL shots just didn't do the trick.

When I first went to RG I saw him play Nole in 2013, live, he looks much better, very clean shots.

I think the tour has gone more physical since then and he just cant impose himself.
Stan let him off the hook yesterday.

Yest Stan can beat him. But Stan played very well and Goffin still was leading 5/3 in the second and 3rd set.

I woudl never compare David with Simon. Completely different style to me,

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Post by ... on Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:41 am

Tenez wrote:yest Stan can beat him. But Stan played very well and Goffin still was leading 5/3 in the second and 3rd set.

I woudl never compare David with Simon. Completely different style to me,

Well...if you take.your boxing gloves off, you'll see (that is) my point.

Simon is playing within himself, Goffin trying to be an attacking player without weapons and esp serve.

That's why he beats about the bush and has to waste so many "nice" razor shots before pulling  a trigger.

I am interested to see how far he get can get like that before he hits a brick wall.

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:20 pm

Just saw "Rao"- Monfils highlights, "Rao" surprisingly good!
Not bashing the ball in panic any more, showing more feel on groundstrokes, even nice volleys.

He ain't a Lada any more.


Should be interesting vs Goffn.

In the meantime....I look forward to both matches this evening. diva

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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:40 pm

He is going to cruch Goffin.


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Re: Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:48 pm

On the challenger side:

http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2016/6486/op.pdf

Interesting draw with a possible Tifao Ruble semi!

I cannot believe Lapentti is still playing. I thought he was 43...but only 33. I know he has an older brother who was better ranked but still.

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Post by ... on Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:32 pm

Order of play looks really interesting, I can't believe the depth of quality in Challengers now.

Yes, Rubi-Tiafoe would be a great one to watch as both play free-range, organic game and to for their shots.

I hope they can make ends meet and don't need to slave to betting mafia.

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