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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:20 pm

No. Even though I am positive ££ wise, I think they are so dangerous. I have been lucky on many occasions.

However if you are cool headed and use the Cash in now wisely....you are almost always bound to make money.....but for that you have to sacrify bigger potential "obvious" gains.


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Post by luvsports! on Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:30 pm

Wow. Pouille beats Goffin 7-6 6-1!

Thiem Pouille tmo!

Zverev stan too!

Im guessing you guys think Pouille can go further than Thiem?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:54 pm

luvsports! wrote:Wow. Pouille beats Goffin 7-6 6-1!

Thiem Pouille tmo!

Zverev stan too!

Im guessing you guys think Pouille can go further than Thiem?

Ok, let me try to answer this with a cool head Winking

Shot for shot, Pouille is better: serve, FH, BH...

I think Thiem defends better.

They have the same fighting spirit.

Pouille is a year behind Thiem with ATP tour exposure/experience, that is the only advantage for Thiem now.

What I like about Pouille, he is no rush at all. His game has so much room for improvement, mainly adding more variety which will come as he starts facing tougher opponents / playing better players more regularly.

He is one of those players that is so solid he cannot go backwards.
The only thing with him is he sometimes oscillates with 1st serve, but even 2nd has great depth.

Should be a great match.

And now a bit of emotions...I find Pouille so exciting to watch, properly exciting, like Fed.
There is something about him...

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:03 pm

I disagree on the fh. Thiem has a great kick serve too.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:15 pm

I remembered, Pouile's weakest part is his return, he stands very far back...but that will improve, he is tightening the screws steadily.
His shots are flat and low over the net, only Rublev has similar talent.

Thiem's tennis is very sweaty, esp his FH.

Pouille goes down the line properly. There is an elememt of unpredictability from him for the opponent as he can do anything on both wings, Thiem is more a CC guy....I have to find a link for the match!!!

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:39 pm

Same with Thiem, he struggles on the return.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:44 pm

luvsports! wrote:Wow. Pouille beats Goffin 7-6 6-1!

Thiem Pouille tmo!

Zverev stan too!

Im guessing you guys think Pouille can go further than Thiem?

I was not impressed by Pouille today and an inform Goffin (he is returning from a long break) would have probably won.

But yes I think he has a chance v Thiem tomorrow. It;s all down to how both can execute and if they both execute well, who can cope best with pace.

Thiem is favourite. Mostly because he is 6 month older and has vbeen exposed longer to top players. This is so crucial at this stage. The more you play the top player the quicker one progresses. It's a vicious circle in the sense that the less you play them the less likely you are catching up.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:48 pm

I also think Pouille is likely to turn out a better player than Thiem....essentially due to BH.

I think Pouille on form is way better than Thiem but his margins are thinner so more likely to have ups and downs.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:12 pm

No one hooks the serve as much as Pouille. Not even Nadal.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:21 pm

Was quite one sided but Thiem gave up early. And I agree that his FH is too loopy. He has the perfect game to make the most of a flatter FH a la Federer. With an average FH he goes from being the new Fed to the new Youshny.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 pm

Djoko and Stans girlfriends are real lookalikes.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:00 pm

Tenez wrote:Djoko and Stans girlfriends are real lookalikes.

I thought so, too. Hopefully for Stan, only on the outside.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:01 pm

Wow I just tuned into Stan-Zverev inly to hear Zverev give speech in Russian.

Well...it must have been a good match.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:03 pm

Good clip, thanks LS.

The court looked small for some reason.

Did you change your opinion about Pouille's/Thiem's FHs?

Pouille has all the variation on it and plays it so naturally, not to mention aggressiveness.

He kind of exposed Thiem's limitations, which is a good sign.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:06 pm

How did Stan's match go!

A bit odd to see a fresh USO champion beaten by a 19 yo in a 250 event...

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:08 pm

Surprised Stan threw away a 3-0 lead in the 3rd.

No. Thiem for me has the bigger fh. Just agree he needs to stop the loop.
I think Pouille has the ability to take the ball earlier than Thiem, robbing him of time, which is v impressive.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:23 pm

noleisthebest wrote:How did Stan's match go!

A bit odd to see a fresh USO champion beaten by a 19 yo in a 250 event...

Both Stan and Sacha went on retrieving mode and Stan looked tired and hesitant. Very unlucky to lose that one. His first final loss in the last 12 or 13 I believe.

Zverev has good hands and will become very good. But I was not impressed by his attacking game.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:25 pm

Today Thiem had more power in his FH than Pouille. Pouille usually has a more aggressive FH but more some reasons did not go for broke. I guess he is trying to measure it and cut teh UEs.

He returns better than Thiem and stand closer to the baseline during rallies.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:08 am

Saw the Wawrinka-Zverev match. That was one hell of an awful first set, both players making tons of UEs. Zverev made a few less and hence won.

2nd set was good. 

3rd set was good. Zverev played solid on important points. Despite some really long hard hitting rallies, he stayed his ground.

Wawrinka may have been tired or less focused . He is not someone who likes chasing records and streaks. So..

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:53 am

I actually thought the 3rd set was of poor quality too.

A lot of sift BH slices from both sides followed by an UE when Stan was trying to attack.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:13 am

I was not ompressed by Zverev but put in perspective....he is 3 years younger than Pouille....and he beat a more impressive field than Pouille this week. I did not like the way he won but there is clearly potential there.

He is likely to be the next big thing.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:58 am

Tenez wrote:I was not ompressed by Zverev but put in perspective....he is 3 years younger than Pouille....and he beat a more impressive field than Pouille this week. I did not like the way he won but there is clearly potential there.

He is likely to be the next big thing.

Yes, that's how I see him, too.

He is in no rush when "rallyng" thanks to his fitness.
In a way, he is no different to Coric, except that he is taller and I suppose more talented.
Amazingly good mover for that height, too.


That stood out in his Monte Carlo match with Rublev who was very nervous in the first set (WC, glamorous stage, small number of elite players etc...), but when he relaxed he gave Zverev a good match and showed he was a better player.

Still, it's good to have him on the scene winning.

Obviously, I prefer Pouille's way of improving slowly but surely, hence e three years gap 19-22.
Same will probably/hopefully happen with Rublev, though he really needs to watch his temper.

I even began to like Zverev's game at one stage but then saw him play against Fed, also in Monte Carlo I think...and there you could see how really limited/bashing he was.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:05 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:How did Stan's match go!

A bit odd to see a fresh USO champion beaten by a 19 yo in a 250 event...

Both Stan and Sacha went on retrieving mode and Stan looked tired and hesitant. Very unlucky to lose that one. His first final loss in the last 12 or 13 I believe.

Zverev has good hands and will become very good. But I was not impressed by his attacking game.

That is very casual from Stan.
He probably thought he was fit enough to do it.

Penny for his thoughts if he'd do the same again.


Regardless, still a loss he didn't need., though the way he is, it probably won't bother him too much.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:07 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Saw the Wawrinka-Zverev match. That was one hell of an awful first set, both players making tons of UEs. Zverev made a few less and hence won.

2nd set was good. 

3rd set was good. Zverev played solid on important points. Despite some really long hard hitting rallies, he stayed his ground.

Wawrinka may have been tired or less focused . He is not someone who likes chasing records and streaks. So..

Hehe rotla, now you are sounding like me in my fan mode. smiley

I actually think Stan is quite keen to have a big 2017, maybe even 2018.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:12 am

Tenez wrote:Today Thiem had more power in his FH than Pouille. Pouille usually has a more aggressive FH but more some reasons did not go for broke. I guess he is trying to measure it and cut teh UEs.

He returns better than Thiem and stand closer to the baseline during rallies.

Yes, I noticed that in the highhlights, hence didn't enjoy tennis he played that much.
It just lacked the spark, was nothing more than ordinary.

Amazing what difference it made.

Maybe he wanted to win too much or thought he didn't need to go for broke.
I suppose that's good for him, that he has that option in his arsenal...so lomg as it doesn't become a habit!

But maybe I am a bit harsh...there were some great DTL shots, so smooth in comparison to grunting CC efforts from Thiem.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:19 am

luvsports! wrote:Surprised Stan threw away a 3-0 lead in the 3rd.

No. Thiem for me has the bigger fh. Just agree he needs to stop the loop.
I think Pouille has the ability to take the ball earlier than Thiem, robbing him of time, which is v impressive.

Yes and that is a big IF for him.

Not quite as drastic as Nadal changing   his FH grip, but not far either.

It looks easy to us, but for him to flatten his FH means to hugely increase the element of risk.

I don't think it's going to happen.

When I compare his FH with Nole's for eg, Thiem's is almost exclusively CC plus it does not have great length. I too have always been wanting  Nole to flatten his FH more and take it earlier.
In fact, Thiem's FH looks more like Murray's when Murray is his short lasting bouts of attacking tennis.

The only difference (apart from the obvious SBH), he is a very aggressive player which is what makes him likable to watch.

Unless/until he changes stg, he'll be no more than Dimi at best.

If you want to win with attackng tennis ESPECIALLY with a SBH you simply cannot do it without a weapon FH and that means going DTL with it.
And for that you need talent and a different technique from what Thiem has.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:23 pm

Actually for DTL FH...loopy spin is very much needed...a la Nadal. It's not a killer shot but it hurts....and unlike flat it's safe.

Thiem has a lot of good shots and he should become very good as his UEs rate drops. He has the game to mix it in and cause trouble but for that he needs confidence....it will come. But the competition is only going to get fiercer.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:43 pm

Tenez wrote:Actually for DTL FH...loopy spin is very much needed...a la Nadal. It's not a killer shot but it hurts....and unlike flat it's safe.

Thiem has a lot of good shots and he should become very good as his UEs rate drops. He has the game to mix it in and cause trouble but for that he needs confidence....it will come. But the competition is only going to get fiercer.

Maybe for Nadal...and possibly Thiem.

Federer and Djokovic hit it differently, in their case it doesn't need to be a muscled "killer",  so long as it's accurate.

Federer:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qxz2Vc0g2I


Djokovic:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGeqfELcQYs

And despite the spin, it's always a gutsy shot for an attacking player.
Nadal rarely pulls it off withing 2-4 shots anyway...just like his volleys it's usually a putaway "winner".

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:59 pm

I don't agree.
He is top 8 right now! Must be doing something right.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:40 pm

One can always find great shots but Djoko is one of the worst abuser of CC FH. And frankly it's usually a very soft one. He is guiding the shot with his long arm and rarely whips it.

I am hoping to see better shots soon from the new generation.

I have had enough of this big legs pushing tennis. The Metz final was quite refreshing in that respect. Too many UES but at least they went for it.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:52 pm

luvsports! wrote:I don't agree.
He is top 8 right now! Must be doing something right.

Yes he is.
He is playing a lot of matches, a lot of smaller tournaments.

I am not saying he is going the wong way, on the co trary - he is playing within himself and in his case that means aggressive tennis with lots of spin to control all the muscle he puts into his shots.

It kind of works for 250 field, maybe 500.

What is his record against top 10?

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:01 pm

Tenez wrote:One can always find great shots but Djoko is one of the worst abuser of CC FH.  And frankly it's usually a very soft one. He is guiding the shot with his long arm and rarely whips it.

He must be doing something right to be dominating all these years.
I really don't think his shots are that soft...though his super lean frame does nit allow him to muscle the ball with or without spin.

He is so,ehow,able to cintrol the ball consistenly with great depth...and that seems to be enough.
He can also vary the length and has lots of variation on the BH.

Many talk about Nadal's famous spinny ball, but nobody ever mentions Nole's.

It is not easy tomoriduce such great length if shots so consistently and when he is on form he does it really well.

OK, it's usually percentag type of shots but they trouble a lot of players and are clearly not easy to replicate.

Tenez wrote:I am hoping to see better shots soon from the new generation.  

I have had enough of this big legs pushing tennis. The Metz final was quite refreshing in that respect.  Too many UES but at least they went for it.

Yes, I think new generation is very talented, I am sure there are many names coming out we haven't even heard of yet.

I just hope ie TUE-ing does nit keep getting encouraged. While that is going on, muscle and spin and big legs will always be there, maybe more than before,

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:07 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:I don't agree.
He is top 8 right now! Must be doing something right.

Yes he is.
He is playing a lot of matches, a lot of smaller tournaments.

I am not saying he is going the wong way, on the co trary - he is playing within himself and in his case that means aggressive tennis with lots of spin to control all the muscle he puts into his shots.

It kind of works for 250 field, maybe 500.

What is his record against top 10?

He has beaten Ferrer and Rafa on clay and Feds twice this year. Not bad.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:14 pm

luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:I don't agree.
He is top 8 right now! Must be doing something right.

Yes he is.
He is playing a lot of matches, a lot of smaller tournaments.

I am not saying he is going the wong way, on the co trary - he is playing within himself and in his case that means aggressive tennis with lots of spin to control all the muscle he puts into his shots.

It kind of works for 250 field, maybe 500.

What is his record against top 10?

He has beaten Ferrer and Rafa on clay and Feds twice this year. Not bad.
Did he really?
Ouch!

I remember him beating Nadal, I think I even watched it...

He maybe needs to start prioritising bigger tournaments now that he's got himself in top 10.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:23 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Saw the Wawrinka-Zverev match. That was one hell of an awful first set, both players making tons of UEs. Zverev made a few less and hence won.

2nd set was good. 

3rd set was good. Zverev played solid on important points. Despite some really long hard hitting rallies, he stayed his ground.

Wawrinka may have been tired or less focused . He is not someone who likes chasing records and streaks. So..

Hehe rotla, now you are sounding like me in my fan mode. smiley

I actually think Stan is quite keen to have a big 2017, maybe even 2018.

A bit of fan is in all of us. Stan may have said he is keen, but I doubt he would put everything to achieve it. He is not as 'professional' as someone like Murray/Djokovic.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:28 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Saw the Wawrinka-Zverev match. That was one hell of an awful first set, both players making tons of UEs. Zverev made a few less and hence won.

2nd set was good. 

3rd set was good. Zverev played solid on important points. Despite some really long hard hitting rallies, he stayed his ground.

Wawrinka may have been tired or less focused . He is not someone who likes chasing records and streaks. So..

Hehe rotla, now you are sounding like me in my fan mode. smiley

I actually think Stan is quite keen to have a big 2017, maybe even 2018.

A bit of fan is in all of us. Stan may have said he is keen, but I doubt he would put everything to achieve it. He is not as 'professional' as someone like Murray/Djokovic.

What makes you say that?

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:47 pm

It's clear Stan isn't as dedicated and professional as Djoko and Murray.

I'd say simply because he can afford not to. Murray and Djoko will never get close to the top if they did not have that will and dedication. They are ready to play ugly to get there. Stan can play his game and win.

This is why the crowd will always support those guys over the boring professionals...the bankers I call them.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:22 pm

Playing ugly and being professional are two different things.

I believe it's the increased level of his professionalism that's brought Stan recent success.

I am sure he is doing everything he can to be as fit as possiblea, works on his shots...


He's got weapons so he doesn't need to defend and be as quick as as Nole.

You can't crycify players because they are less talented than others.

Everyone is trying the best they can with what they have.

I don't like Nole taking untimely, tactical MTOs. 

With Murray it's worse as you get a dose of UE c'mons in every match.

With Nadal you get time abuse, stuff behind the scenes (rigged draws, umpire cherry-picking slow balls etc)...they are even bigger things.


Gamesmanship is pathetic.
I cannot stand it.

I also don't like people who are obsessed with winning.

But that's nothing to do with professionalism.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:47 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Playing ugly and being professional are two different things.
Not if you don't have excessive talent. The only way to get to the very top is to contain talent of players who rely heavily on it. That is return a maximum of woudl be winners and force running to blunt sharpness.

I believe it's the increased level of his professionalism that's brought Stan recent success.
But he coudl have lost in that 3rd round v Evans. So not that professional! Of course he is more professional than before but in order to be more consistent he woudl have to be much more professional and go for less risky shots. He has not got the fitness and mouvement for it.

He's got weapons so he doesn't need to defend and be as quick as as Nole.
Anybdy can have weapon in tennis. But again very few can have them consistently enough to reach the top. I think Djoko and Murray never really tried to develop those. Well their weapons are mouvement, consistency, never goving easy points away.

You can't crycify players because they are less talented than others.
The crowd takes care of it, thankfully cause nowadays they re winning everything at the expense of the show. As I said once their role should be to filter the best talent out there but unfortunately they are suffocating them all in those slow conditions.

Everyone is trying the best they can with what they have.
Well yes but personally I have never been a fan of paralympics. Why should I enjoy or watch someone who sacrifies his talent and skills for his own gain? What Djoko and Murray have been doing. Remember not so long ago you were having the same discours for Nadal. It's exactly the same thing. Djoko and Murray have learnt from Nadal and are his direct successors.

I don't like Nole taking untimely, tactical MTOs. 
That's part of his "professionalism" though.

With Murray it's worse as you get a dose of UE c'mons in every match.
yep pretty ugly.

With Nadal you get time abuse, stuff behind the scenes (rigged draws, umpire cherry-picking slow balls etc)...they are even bigger things.
Sure he was the king of it.

I also don't like people who are obsessed with winning.

But that's nothing to do with professionalism.
It is very much the definition of it. Professionalism means winning at all cost.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:41 pm

Watching Rublev-Kamke in some nice challenger in France, they even have hawkeye.

Short rallies. Real tennis.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:00 pm

and......

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Post by Tenez on Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:04 pm

wow...he won. Strange score.....63 16 60.

Looks like it like their games....make or break.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by noleisthebest on Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:59 pm

Yes, fast court, not much defending...Rublev was switching between fast (instinctive) and slow (formula tennis) courts game, was quite interesting to see.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:54 am

Gasquet has shown the young tall retriever how to play proper tennis. Close game though.

Rublev has a very tough job versus Chiudinelli today.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:02 am

Tenez wrote:Gasquet has shown the young tall retriever how to play proper tennis. Close game though.
You love your Richie, don't you? smiley
Yes he can play proper tennis and is a really nice guy, but maaan isn't he frustrating when he runs behind the baseline...
Tenez wrote:
Rublev has a very tough job versus Chiudinelli today.
It may sound cruel, but if he can't beat Chiudinelli...he may as well continue to olay Challengers for the rest of his life...
About time he apllied some brain and curbed his temper.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by luvsports! on Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:47 pm

Tenez wrote:Gasquet has shown the young tall retriever how to play proper tennis. Close game though.

Rublev has a very tough job versus Chiudinelli today.

Wrong Zverev Tenez. That is his older bro who Gasquet beat.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:29 pm

Ouch! If he struggled with the the poor Zverev version then he is hopeless....as NITB suggested.

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:36 pm

Well Rublev - Chiudinelli match is so dull I now have no excuse to do my tax return. Angry

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Re: ATP 250/500 2016 - Basel, Vienna

Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:19 pm

Chidu is playing so ugly....I can only suggests he is injured.

62 Rublev in the 2nd set. Looks like chidu is having some treatment.

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