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Post by luvsports! on Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:25 pm

Elena Vesnina (RUS) 20
Bruno Soares (BRA) [
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Coco Vandeweghe (USA) 40
Horia Tecau (ROU)
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Novak Djokovic (SRB) 20
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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:43 pm

Tecau/Vandeweghe
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Post by Daniel on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:51 pm

if Djok v simon turns up - Murray will kill him.  But chances are he won't - and Murray will just rally for air.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:53 pm

Vesnina/Soares
Murray in 4 (joker)

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:54 am

80/20...exactly the odds I would have picked too.

Ok....I need all the possible points so I am going to say

Murray in 3! and joker

Coco taecau.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:02 am

no one's watching? I don't b;ame you......I just swtched it on. predictable and boring tennis.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:07 am

wow Murray scored a game.....thanks to 2 aces.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:15 am

it's all in the mouvement....

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:16 am

Murray needs to really come up big serving.. that would make it better for him.. He needs to mix it up better, exchanging ground strokes will never work for Murray..

0-1 sets down.. Murray.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:18 am

The murray ROAR!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:47 am

Tenez wrote:no one's watching? I don't b;ame you......I just swtched it on. predictable and boring tennis.
I am watching but I haven't got much to say...I did enjoy seeing Murray chase those dropshots...

The points he wins are so laborious.


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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:47 am

Struggles continue on serve for Murray... He really needs to win this set.. else it will not even go 4 sets...

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:48 am

Murray like Federer has to take absurd risks.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:50 am

Tenez wrote:Murray like Federer has to take absurd risks.
Well...nothing is stopping Murray returnig better...and standing closer to the baseline...

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:54 am

Tenez wrote:Murray like Federer has to take absurd risks.
Murray has the speed and strength of shots. Missing some right shot-selection. Also doesn't posses the FH like Djokovic..

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:58 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Murray like Federer has to take absurd risks.
Well...nothing is stopping Murray returnig better...and standing closer to the baseline...
He is trying now on his own serve, but can't sustain it.
His FH is very clunky and artificial.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:01 am

It's very simple...Djoko's mouvement gives him the time to dictate.

It's tough to beat that mouvement.....when all other players arrive on the ball rushed, Djoko is there with time and therefore options despite his average shots.

A super Hewitt!

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:05 am

Djoko (in 4)
Soares

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:08 am

This is the perfect demonstration of the arm muscles tiring much quicker than the legs. Murray makes many stupid mistakes after 10+ rallies.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:21 am

It must be an annoying job to be in Murray's team. He keeps screaming at you every now and then. Then suddenly weird smiling and talking something or the other.. He makes it hard even for them to root for him...

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:26 am

Tenez wrote:This is the perfect demonstration of the arm muscles tiring much quicker than the legs. Murray makes many stupid mistakes after 10+ rallies.

Everything about Murray's tennis is muscle. Every single shot. Of course he is going to get tired first.

But, he's done well with what he's been given.
Against a lighter pair of legs and better ball striker Murray hits the brick wall physically.
Against Fed, he just gets outplayed.

He is quite limited.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:27 am

Oy vey

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:28 am

Murray fought hard but he has nothing left in the tank.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:28 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:It must be an annoying job to be in Murray's team. He keeps screaming at you every now and then. Then suddenly weird smiling and talking something or the other.. He makes it hard even for them to root for him...
Yes, not a pretty sight, but that's how he deals with his own frustrations...his team know it's nothing personal, against them however degrading it sounds...

I don't like it when he foulmouths his opponent. That is bad.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:29 am

How many times does Djoko win games from 40/0 down.....

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:30 am

Tenez wrote:Murray fought hard but he has nothing left in the tank.

Yes, that was a good passage of play, but unsustainable as I said earlier as he is so physical in his tennis...even when attacking!

Plus as he is not comfortable doing it, he must find is twice as stressful, too.
Every shot he goes for inside the baseline turns a few of his hairs grey...

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:33 am

Hugh Jass: 
Djoko in 4

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:34 am

Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:35 am

Djoko winning the sets thanks to Murray's many UEs.....though UEs after 36 shots rallies are not quite the same real UEs....versus Blake!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:37 am

noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:38 am

How you could ever cheer for either of these two with their tennis is beyond me.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:38 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.  

C'mon, T....

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:39 am

We need Chung and Nishi to get up to speed quick.

In restrospect, Chung did not do badly for a first encounter.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:40 am

luvsports! wrote:How you could ever cheer for either of these two with their tennis is beyond me.

Exactly....I want them both to lose......a point where both break their legs.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:42 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.  

C'mon, T....

I mean it....and Djoko's shots would be even worse if he had Murray's mouvement. Honestly!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:45 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.  

C'mon, T....

I mean it....and Djoko's shots would be even worse if he had Murray's mouvement. Honestly!
I disagree...Nole was better than Murray from day one...well before the muscles arrived.
Better serve, better FH...and now a better BH.

There is a reason Murray has always been a pusher.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:46 am

So Djoko will go ahead for a 4 in a row.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:14 am

Murray is just too tired now. They both are but Murray more so.....more weight to carry around.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:18 am

Murray's serve has really improved over the years. He woudl have been crushed with his old serve.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:43 am

So Djoko, joins Borg.....at 11!
He will probably catch up Nadal...but not certain yet. Every single slam he plays are going to be crucial. I don;t think he will go over 15...though.

Would be interesting for the GOAT debate if he overtakes Nadal in slams and H2H....

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:53 am

I am afraid you will have to wait a bit for final prediction game as I have to do my taxes and I am already very late about it.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:04 pm

He's already ahead in the h2h vs Rafa.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:52 pm

luvsports! wrote:He's already ahead in the h2h vs Rafa.

I know but unless he gets Nadal's slam number he cannot be considered for the GOAT debate, While Nadal can pretend to be "better" than Fed cause he as the H2H.

Having said that this very argument weights much less now that he himself lost that H2H edge over Djoko. Still....the H2H is too close in that case to play much against Nadal.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:03 pm

Murray was almost in tears as he gave his post match presentation speech.. had heavy voice throughout.

He clearly see himself as the weaker of the 2 players who started their careers almost together, and he also knows he is playing his best possible tennis. He just can't do anything to hurt Djokovic at all.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:06 pm

Will Fed move to #2 tomorrow. Murray gain no points but Fed does.. lats year he only had 3rd round.. and this year semis...

Fed is the real num #2, Murray just had some more points..

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:18 pm

Didn't see the third set, looks like it was a good fight.

Happy for Nole creating his own legacy in Oz.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:37 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
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noleisthebest wrote:
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noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.  

C'mon, T....

I mean it....and Djoko's shots would be even worse if he had Murray's mouvement. Honestly!
I disagree...Nole was better than Murray from day one...well before the muscles arrived.
Better serve, better FH...and now a better BH.

There is a reason Murray has always been a pusher.

I agree.  Murray can consider himself lucky that he won Wimbledon and 2 slams total.  He may even win another.  But he's never been in Djok's league - right from the start.

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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Will Fed move to #2 tomorrow. Murray gain no points but Fed does.. lats year he only had 3rd round.. and this year semis...

Fed is the real num #2, Murray just had some more points..
That's good news.
Hopefully he can keep that ranking for Wimbledon.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:29 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Will Fed move to #2 tomorrow. Murray gain no points but Fed does.. lats year he only had 3rd round.. and this year semis...

Fed is the real num #2, Murray just had some more points..

Nope he wont.....by reaching the final again, Murray has done enough....fed is better than Murray but plays less tournies nowadays.

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noleisthebest wrote:
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noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Murray simply has not shotmaking ability.
As soon as he goes down the line...game over.

he has more than Djoko though. Better BH, much better volleys....and out acing Djoko today. Just Djoko has a better FH....only just.

Murray is tired.....he uses more muscles but both games are based on fitness....,just that Djoko has the best formula.  

C'mon, T....

I mean it....and Djoko's shots would be even worse if he had Murray's mouvement. Honestly!
I disagree...Nole was better than Murray from day one...well before the muscles arrived.
Better serve, better FH...and now a better BH.

There is a reason Murray has always been a pusher.

I agree.  Murray can consider himself lucky that he won Wimbledon and 2 slams total.  He may even win another.  But he's never been in Djok's league - right from the start.
2 of the 3 sets were very close. I think had murray played his long semi on Thursday, he coudl have done even better. He tired very quickly in today's match.

If anything Murray can take some positives.

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