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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:07 am

Am I the only one on OTF watching this pathetic match??

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:16 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Am I the only one on OTF watching this pathetic match??
Not any more, I'm tuning in!

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:20 am

Tomic plays a very nice counterpunching game.
He can really make a player run!
Ideally he would use his talent to play more aggressively, but his crazy father has clearly shattered his self-confidence.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:28 am

noleisthebest wrote:Tomic plays a very nice counterpunching game.
He can really make a player run!
Ideally he would use his talent to play more aggressively, but his crazy father has clearly shattered his self-confidence.

Why do think Tomic has great talent for aggressive game? I've never seen him be an aggressor on any point and any situation.. he always plays safety-first tennis.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:31 am

another early break.. this match is going to have a lot of breaks..

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:34 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Tomic plays a very nice counterpunching game.
He can really make a player run!
Ideally he would use his talent to play more aggressively, but his crazy father has clearly shattered his self-confidence.

Why do think Tomic has great talent for aggressive game? I've never seen him be an aggressor on any point and any situation.. he always plays safety-first tennis.
Tomic has great hand to eye coordination...probably in top five - hits flat, great hands, great serve, great slice...just does not have the spirit to drive that talent.


He would have done much better in previous eras where fitness was not everything.

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:42 am

He does not have a great serve at all.

For 6'5 it is poor.

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:47 am

What a win for Konta!

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:50 am

Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:51 am

luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.

But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...

I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers, as well.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:53 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

Yes, but the talent is there. I suppose Tomic is a poor athlete.
If Nadal had his talent he'd've won 30 slams.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:58 am

Ferru win in st. sets. This is the real WEAK era.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:01 am

noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.

But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...

I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.

Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil

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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Ferru win in st. sets. This is the real WEAK era.
I think this is not a weak era, we have many very skillfull players, just that playing conditions are favouring fitness, not talent.

It's tragic to have Murray as number two.

I know Nole is not the most flairful player but imagine if Murray was ruling the top...

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:04 am

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

Yes, but the talent is there. I suppose Tomic is a poor athlete.
If Nadal had his talent he'd've won 30 slams.

Where on earth do you pluck that from?
Nadal's game of power, crazy spin, speed would get him a lot more than if he had tomic's talent.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:05 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.

But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...

I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.

Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil

Of course...Winking

Tenez likes the panting, skinny pushing women...

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:08 am

luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

Yes, but the talent is there. I suppose Tomic is a poor athlete.
If Nadal had his talent he'd've won 30 slams.

Where on earth do you pluck that from?
Nadal's game of power, crazy spin, speed would get him a lot more than if he had tomic's talent.
Not any more. He is watching AO on TV and Tomic is playing.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:33 am

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.

But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...

I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.

Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil

Of course...Winking

Tenez likes the panting, skinny pushing women...

Laugh Laugh  Can you name a few among the current WTA players?

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:37 am

noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

Yes, but the talent is there. I suppose Tomic is a poor athlete.
If Nadal had his talent he'd've won 30 slams.

Where on earth do you pluck that from?
Nadal's game of power, crazy spin, speed would get him a lot more than if he had tomic's talent.
Not any more. He is watching AO on TV and Tomic is playing

But Nadal is watching AO on TV after winning 14 slams and 27 TMS. Nothing can take that away from him. Even if he retires now, I don't think there would be anything left much left for him to ponder about in tennis terms..

He sure is GOAT on clay..

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:41 am

Tomic should atleast take a set off Murray.. at least.. Murray is not so much better that he should win in 3.

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:49 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Good hand-eye yes.. Hits flat but doesn't go enough deep for the lines on most occasions..
 Serve is okay but as LS said.. for 6'5" its not good enough... He is like another Delpotro in that regard.

Slice is good but its mostly a defensive slice.. he  can't use it to much to construct an attack..

And heart and spirit.. falls well short.. just as Fed said.

Yes, but the talent is there. I suppose Tomic is a poor athlete.
If Nadal had his talent he'd've won 30 slams.

Where on earth do you pluck that from?
Nadal's game of power, crazy spin, speed would get him a lot more than if he had tomic's talent.
Not any more. He is watching AO on TV and Tomic is playing

But Nadal is watching AO on TV after winning 14 slams and 27 TMS. Nothing can take that away from him. Even if he retires now, I don't think there would be anything left much left for him to ponder about in tennis terms..

He sure is GOAT on clay..

Yes, but you know what I think of Nadal...despite all he won.

I don't even see him as a tennis player...his hands skills are poor.

Toni was a genius to squeeze what he could out of Nadal's only genuine tennis "skill" - his exquisite footwork and movement.
His legs won him all the slams, not hands.

But that's how it is...he was allowed to and helped along the way. He won all he did on pure muscle

If he was any good he'd be able to take the ball early and at least play in the baseline like 90% of players now...but he can't.
His one trick pony time has expired.


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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:51 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...
I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.
Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil
Of course...Winking
Tenez likes the panting, skinny pushing women...
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Sorry, can't help you there, rotla, I don't watch women's tennis much. You'll have to ask Tenez.
He once said his wildest fantasy was/is to play doubles with Myshkina. cupid

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:01 am

Ouch....tomic missing the 2 easiest FHs in the TB.....should be 3/0 instead of 1/2

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:04 am

Almost done... this match... Tomic.. no heart or spirit.. despite the overwhelming support of the crowd.

4 MPs Murrayy.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:06 am

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...
I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.
Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil
Of course...Winking
Tenez likes the panting, skinny pushing women...
Laugh Laugh  Can you name a few among the current WTA players?
Sorry, can't help you there, rotla, I don't watch women's tennis much. You'll have to ask Tenez.
He once said his wildest fantasy was/is to play doubles with Myshkina. cupid
Rad is one. She looks like a chav a bit but I 'd rather go hols with her than Serena or Sharapova...not close!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:06 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Almost done... this match... Tomic.. no heart or spirit.. despite the overwhelming support of the crowd.

4 MPs Murrayy.

It was all in the legs. Tomic with Murray's leg woudl have been 64 64 76...Tomic.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:08 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Almost done... this match... Tomic.. no heart or spirit.. despite the overwhelming support of the crowd.

4 MPs Murrayy.
Yes, lazy.
He's got 1% talent but missing the 99% of hard work to comlete the success formula.
Mind you, I know how he feels...always did only the bare minimum. Just could not push myself stupid.
No regrets, though! Winking

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:20 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
luvsports! wrote:What a win for Konta!
I saw the last few games.
Pusher.But that goes as "proper women's tennis" these days...
I like Keys and Navarro, but they'll probably lose to pushers,  as well.
Is that a gibe at Tenez? I sense it.. Devil
Of course...Winking
Tenez likes the panting, skinny pushing women...
Laugh Laugh  Can you name a few among the current WTA players?
Sorry, can't help you there, rotla, I don't watch women's tennis much. You'll have to ask Tenez.
He once said his wildest fantasy was/is to play doubles with Myshkina. cupid
Rad is one. She looks like a chav a bit but I 'd rather go hols with her than Serena or Sharapova...not close!

Yes, same taste as Fed. No surprise, there. Whistle

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:24 am

I don;t see Mirka as chavy though I am not a fan of all those diamonds she wears.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:17 pm

And the dull Chinese c'moning, fistpumping neurotic  pusher is through...cos-mic!
But at least she played proper women's tennis...Winking

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:29 pm

Tenez wrote:I don;t see Mirka as chavy though I am not a fan of all those diamonds she wears.
He, he...you are a bigger fanboy than you'd like to admit.
Of course Mirka is a chav, Fed, too. Nothing sophistcated there...
He may have had hope had he married someone else, but now...he is a "crybaby" sold as a peRFect "product".

No PR facade can hide it from this beady eye...

But at least he's been allowed to play tennis. Winking
Thank you, Mirka! Cheers

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:16 pm

noleisthebest wrote:And the dull Chinese c'moning, fistpumping neurotic  pusher is through...cos-mic!
But at least she played proper women's tennis...Winking
I have not seen either play but since I picked her, I am happy she did win. Pure luck.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:23 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don;t see Mirka as chavy though I am not a fan of all those diamonds she wears.
He, he...you are a bigger fanboy than you'd like to admit.
Of course Mirka is a chav, Fed, too. Nothing sophistcated there...
He may have had hope had he married someone else, but now...he is a "crybaby" sold as a peRFect "product".

No PR facade can hide it from this beady eye...

But at least he's been allowed to play tennis. Winking
Thank you, Mirka! Cheers

Disagree actually. Young Mirka never looked chav. Whereas Fed is way too smart to be a chav, plus he moves elegantly. Can't you spot the difference between Hamilton, Posh/Beckham and Mirka/Federer?

And what do you make of Djoko? his parents?


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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:29 pm

Does chav mean something different in Serbia?

In England it means this:

http://theday.co.uk/images/stories/2011/2011-06/070611_chavs.jpg

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:37 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don;t see Mirka as chavy though I am not a fan of all those diamonds she wears.
He, he...you are a bigger fanboy than you'd like to admit.
Of course Mirka is a chav, Fed, too. Nothing sophistcated there...
He may have had hope had he married someone else, but now...he is a "crybaby" sold as a peRFect "product".

No PR facade can hide it from this beady eye...

But at least he's been allowed to play tennis. Winking
Thank you, Mirka! Cheers

Disagree actually. Young Mirka never looked chav. Whereas Fed is way too smart to be a chav, plus he moves elegantly. Can't you spot the difference between Hamilton, Posh/Beckham and Mirka/Federer?

And what do you make of Djoko? his parents?


Whoooa!
I touched a raw nerve...?

Sorry, T but you are wrong. If you have "an open mind" as you like to call it, you may see it.
I find chavs who pretend & sell themselves as something they are not the worst, in fact.

As for "Djoko's parents", that's a bit  below the belt, don't you think?
None of us chose our parents.

"Djoko"...he seemed genuine:  Shirt-ripping, Nadal you are beatable! the lot.
Never said he was happy for Nadal to win 9 RGs.
He's toned down a bit trying to be the "citizen of the world", a less irritable Number one...not my cup of tea.

I really don't like when peple pretend and say things the don't think. Confirmism is the cheapest lie. And most costly at the same time. Clothes are just a "uniform".

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:48 pm

luvsports! wrote:Does chav mean something different in Serbia?

In England it means this:

http://theday.co.uk/images/stories/2011/2011-06/070611_chavs.jpg

Yes, &'that's the low-brow chav.
We are talking about the high-brow ones!

And of course we have chavs in Serbia. Tipsarevic's wife s a prime example...
They are everywhere! Wah

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:50 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I find chavs who pretend & sell themselves as something they are not the worst, in fact.
In whihc way they are selling themselves as something they are not? They are young people who have been given lots of money and thus far they still behave very simply to me. very down to earth actually this is why I fail to see what you mean. It would be so easy to behave stupidly with that much "means" yet they don't.

As for "Djoko's parents", that's a bit  below the belt, don't you think?
None of us chose our parents.
Of course we choose our parents. Or we are their product (which is the same thing in effect).
"Djoko"...he seemed  genuine:  Shirt-ripping, Nadal you are beatable! the lot.
Strange cause he appears to be the one who was abusing gamesmanship young and the one who made a concerted effort to wash his not so great image. Also the one who when under pressure can lose his temper like he did at Wimby last year against a ball girl.

Djoko is very much to me the upstart archetype. Nothing wrong with that but certainly the guy who had to prove himself....unlike Federer who like his tennis seems to do everything effortlessy.
Never said he was happy for Nadal to win 9 RGs....and the rest..
That's different. He is the mebassador to all those kids who want to take up the game. It's not about our little "fan wars". I like to think he is above those. And in fact Fed might even be genuinely happy for Nadal, who knows? I think he doesn't care much besides himself and his family.


We clearly see it differently there.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:03 pm

I find it disappointing that you felt the need to bog me down in the argument by dragging Djokovic into conversation. That in itself says a lot.

What has Djokovic got to do with Mirka being a chav?

And she is one. Portraying the squeaky image yet taunting Stan during his match against Fed in WTF 2014.

You seem to view the concept through money and I don't.

Never mind.

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Chav talk aside....

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...Your girlfriend is ugly but you don't care, it’s inner beauty that counts. ...You used to be a pain in the neck. But that was before. ...Besides, your mates are still wondering how you managed to become such a classy guy. It's true that it wasn't looking good for you. ...You know that when your player loses, it's always after a great match. And that's a champion's thing. ...You think that it's not thanks to Robin Soderling that Roger Federer won Roland Garros. ...Your father has a moustache. ...You know that Marc Rosset > Mark Ronson. ...Sometimes you have nightmares about Arnaud Di Pasquale. ...You love No Doubt and Gwen Stefani. ...You know that hairy arms, it's more than a Portuguese thing. It's a champion thing. ...Besides, You like Pete Sampras. ...You left your two-handed backhand to switch to a one-handed one, but it's a disaster. ...When you talk about Federer, you say "Rodger" as if you knew him very well. ...You wonder after a great passing shot if Rodger could have done the same. Then you realize that yes, he could have. ...You know nothing about football, but you like FC Basel. …You don’t wait for your wedding to wear white. …You cried when he won Roland Garros. …You wake up at 4 in the morning to watch him play in the Australian Open. …One day, you thought that you could do without a coach. Then you realized that no, you can’t. …You think that British players should put their money in the UK and learn tennis in Switzerland. …You razor is a Gillette, Your shaving cream is Gillette, but your watch is a Casio… …You think that his game comes from another planet, but that he’s the most human player you know. …You come to a game sporting with pride your latest Nike outfit, and you lose against a guy who’s dressed as a chav and playing with a wooden racket. …You compare him to James Bond: Federer never dies. …You compare him to Elizabeth II for the length of his reign. …For you, Rafael Nadal is just an “athlete”. …For you, he’s the best player of all time.
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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by legendkillar on Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:26 pm

I just thought I would reach out here NITB.

I must admit I read more here than I do contribute Winking

Just seen the above argument. I think you want something out of Federer that isn't there. Kind of like an anti-establishment individual who goes against the grain and isn't scared of who they oppose and rub the wrong way. In some ways the sport does need shaking up in that instance, but Federer is perceived as the leader of the game. That's a lot of pressure to carry. He is the face of the sport and arguably the most popular figure the game has seen. With that carries a lot of responsibility (granted not asked for) but for me he does it so well. As Tenez said he isn't into the "fan warfare"

I almost sense you crave a maverick for the sport. One in every sense. A strong personality as well as a strong game. smiley

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:35 pm

Post more ya kooky bugger! Winking

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:42 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I find it disappointing that you felt the need to bog me down in the argument by dragging Djokovic into conversation. That in itself says a lot.

What has Djokovic got to do with Mirka being a chav?

And she is one. Portraying the squeaky image yet taunting Stan during his match against Fed in WTF 2014.

You seem to view the concept through money and I don't.

Never mind.
Simply because I do not see them as chav....nor "high-brow ones". As I see Djoko as certainly more of a chav than the formers, I wanted to have your understanding of what you call a chav.

Now there is a difference between being a chav and speaking your mind and not paying attention to what people think of you. Those 3 are quite different. Politicians are not chavs. They just have to use a language which offends least of people or pleases most...depending on which way you want to look at it.

Fed as LK says sees himself as an embassador to the game....and he has done a good job of it. If it was not for his tennis, I would probably never have joined a tennis forum in the first place.

It's just that we have a living Mozart in my favorite sport. That won't happen every day and he is one of those rare genius which does not see to have huge dark side like most have.

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:06 pm

legendkillar wrote:I just thought I would reach out here NITB.

I must admit I read more here than I do contribute Winking

Just seen the above argument. I think you want something out of Federer that isn't there. Kind of like an anti-establishment individual who goes against the grain and isn't scared of who they oppose and rub the wrong way. In some ways the sport does need shaking up in that instance, but Federer is perceived as the leader of the game. That's a lot of pressure to carry. He is the face of the sport and arguably the most popular figure the game has seen. With that carries a lot of responsibility (granted not asked for) but for me he does it so well. As Tenez said he isn't into the "fan warfare"

I almost sense you crave a maverick for the sport. One in every sense. A strong personality as well as a strong game. smiley
Hi LK,

thanks for your understanding.

I never thought of it the "maverick" way, but now that you've said it, of course it would be great to have someone at the top with a strong personality as well as a strong game.

Is it too much to ask?

It looks like it is.

I know how I am in my tennis club. People are the same everywhere.  
So few care and are prepared to go an extra mile at their cost.

Has Fed done enough?

Yes, by the mere fact he nurtured his talent and persevered all these years. And inspired many.

I am a very grateful recipient.

One of those "cases" who asks herslef  "would Fed have liked this BH?"....

Could he have done more?

That is the question only he can answer.

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:26 pm

Tenez wrote:
Simply because I do not see them as chav....nor "high-brow ones". As I see Djoko as certainly more of a chav than the formers, I wanted to have your understanding of what you call a chav.

Now there is a difference between being a chav and speaking your mind and not paying attention to what people think of you. Those 3 are quite different. Politicians are not chavs. They just have to use a language which offends least of people or pleases most...depending on which way you want to look at it.

Fed as LK says sees himself as an embassador to the game....and he has done a good job of it. If it was not for his tennis, I would probably never have joined a tennis forum in the first place.

It's just that we have a living Mozart in my favorite sport. That won't happen every day and he is one of those rare genius which does not see to have huge dark side like most have.
However you want to package it, tennis is up to its eyeballs in doping and dying.
And as you suggested potentially "genuinelly liking" and publicly praising and condoning the guy who brought tennis to its knees, (unasked for!) simply sucks.

To you that's not dark, to me it is.

You see it as ambassadorial, I see it as cowardly.

But hey, I love him nonetheless and you know it.

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:01 pm

Nadal is not teh one who brought tennis to its knees. He just improved a way of playing that was already there. If anything Nadal brought millions more people to have a look at our game. Despite his "dark" side he gave a lot to the game, even if he did so unwittingly.

And again, what on earth can he do if the anti doping agencies can't find the smoking gun, or don't want to find the smoking gun? Is he meant to accuse without proof? That woudl be so foolish!

I really don;t understand why you are at him on this. he is there to play tennis.....nothing else. What else should he do? Give all his money to charity too? that woudl be more commandable than accusing others of cheating...where doe we stop?

And finally, and more to the point, where is the chav bit in all that?


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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:55 pm

Tenez wrote:Nadal is not teh one who brought tennis to its knees.
Yes he did. Imagine if he never came to the scene.
Tenez wrote:He just improved a way of playing that was already there. If anything Nadal brought millions more people to have a look at our game. Despite his "dark" side he gave a lot to the game, even if he did so unwittingly.
As far as I am concerned he only filled Babolat's bank account.
Tenez wrote:And again, what on earth can he do if the anti doping agencies can't find the smoking gun, or don't want to find the smoking gun? Is he meant to accuse without proof? That woudl be so foolish!
Where there is a will there is a way.
Tenez wrote: Ireally don;t understand why you are at him on this. he is there to play tennis.....nothing else. What else should he do? Give all his money to charity too? that woudl be more commandable than accusing others of cheating...where doe we stop?
I noticed...
Yes, he is only a tennis player...but if he wants to be an ambassador than he is not just a tennis player amd has more duties.

Tenez wrote:And finally, and more to the point, where is the chav bit in all that?
I thought you'd never ask!
His wife is a chav and so is he with his arrogant attitude towards Djokovic in his early career. Carrying on as if he was an uber race, looking down on his background by calling his return "a slappy shot" not a proper one like he would have played.
Then telling him he needs to get fitter not retire.
And a few saucy comments he made in 2006 when Switzerland played then Sebia and Montenegro in Davis Cup, which are not for public forum.
Just that in your face air of entitlement I noticed when I lived in Switzerland.

And all this time, he was just a very very good tennis player who could not control himself  on the court in his early days, looked like a zitty peasant etc...

I am glad he seems to have mellowed.



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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:04 pm

The funny thing is you see a Becker as a nobler person.

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Post by ... on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:04 pm

Tenez wrote:The funny thing is you see a Becker as a nobler person.
You really are having a go at me, aren't you?

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:54 pm

Just puzzled at your dislike of Federer...but it seems linked to the way he perceive(d) Djokovic.

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Re: Australian Open 2016 - Day 8 (and predictions)

Post by legendkillar on Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:47 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
legendkillar wrote:I just thought I would reach out here NITB.

I must admit I read more here than I do contribute Winking

Just seen the above argument. I think you want something out of Federer that isn't there. Kind of like an anti-establishment individual who goes against the grain and isn't scared of who they oppose and rub the wrong way. In some ways the sport does need shaking up in that instance, but Federer is perceived as the leader of the game. That's a lot of pressure to carry. He is the face of the sport and arguably the most popular figure the game has seen. With that carries a lot of responsibility (granted not asked for) but for me he does it so well. As Tenez said he isn't into the "fan warfare"

I almost sense you crave a maverick for the sport. One in every sense. A strong personality as well as a strong game. smiley
Hi LK,

thanks for your understanding.

I never thought of it the "maverick" way, but now that you've said it, of course it would be great to have someone at the top with a strong personality as well as a strong game.

Is it too much to ask?

It looks like it is.

I know how I am in my tennis club. People are the same everywhere.  
So few care and are prepared to go an extra mile at their cost.

Has Fed done enough?

Yes, by the mere fact he nurtured his talent and persevered all these years. And inspired many.

I am a very grateful recipient.

One of those "cases" who asks herslef  "would Fed have liked this BH?"....

Could he have done more?

That is the question only he can answer.

I don't think it's clear cut. Seems more you want him to speak what's on your mind much rather than his.

Imagine if he did speak up and try and call 'suspected' dopers out or criticise the regime? You can guarantee the finger would be pointed right back and everyone loses credibility. Why speak now when his success if much behind him? Would smack of sour grapes. I don't think he would have the change drive that you crave. You could argue hey look he got Hit for Haiti going, but everyone profits from that. When you speak out against things that have a more underlining current and is about to his the pockets of major investors, it becomes a different scenario. You spoke of anger about how Nadal's career has enriched Babolat, but think of how much Federer alone has enriched Nike!

For me I think Federer has done enough. Maximised his talent and reaped the rewards as has his fans who have delighted in his tennis. So many talents haven't even got going because they don't have the ambition or desire to apply themselves.

Federer has bought a bigger global appeal to the sport. That in itself is a huge achievement. He would argue that the survival of the sport is more important than the structure of the sport.

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