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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:01 pm

And now on the hour...
Very interesting.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:12 pm

I love Stan in his Stanimal mode!

Quite impressive to outhit Ferrer on this court.

Stan's definitely joined the big 4.

Only big 4 can beat Ferrer, the gatekeeper.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:18 pm

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noleisthebest wrote:Ok, didn't know thinness is a symptom of doping. Now I know why you mentioned it yesterday.
I actually did not mention it with drug in mind but he certainly looked very lean, his legs muscles, joints and bones were really sharp (not sure how to describe it but simply with 0 fat to round it off).

It's called 'definition' or ripped.  A guy like Ronaldo is also ripped but still has 10% body fat. I guess Djoko's percentage is even lower. It's amazing he still has time to go out on practice court because it's a full time job to maintain such a fat percentage. The natural way that is..

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Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:20 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I love Stan in his Stanimal mode!

Quite impressive to outhit Ferrer on this court.

Stan's definitely joined the big 4.

Only big 4 can beat Ferrer, the gatekeeper.
Stan did ok to get back in the match, but it was more a old familiar choke job from Ferrer. DF on setpoint..and it was not the only in the last part of set 1

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:24 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I love Stan in his Stanimal mode!


Only big 4 can beat Ferrer, the gatekeeper.

yes good point!

If Stan beat Murray then there is still a chance for federer to finish the year 2nd. ..but he will have to win the title I believe....and not sure DC can still tilt the balance.

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Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:24 pm

Stan is so slow. Those dropshots are very reachable.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:27 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I love Stan in his Stanimal mode!


Only big 4 can beat Ferrer, the gatekeeper.

yes good point!

If Stan beat Murray then there is still a chance for federer to finish the year 2nd. ..but he will have to win the title I believe....and not sure DC can still tilt the balance.
Does it matter? He would be better off to meet Djoko in the AO semi than the final anyway

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:27 pm

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Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Ok, didn't know thinness is a symptom of doping. Now I know why you mentioned it yesterday.
I actually did not mention it with drug in mind but he certainly looked very lean, his legs muscles, joints and bones were really sharp (not sure how to describe it but simply with 0 fat to round it off).

It's called 'definition' or ripped.  A guy like Ronaldo is also ripped but still has 10% body fat. I guess Djoko's percentage is even lower. It's amazing he still has time to go out on practice court because it's a full time job to maintain such a fat percentage. The natural way that is..

yes, ripped that's the word I was looking for. I remember Nadal in that AO12? he also was so ripped. He did have a deep gap between the his eyelid and eyebrow.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:28 pm

gallery play wrote:Does it matter? He would be better off to meet Djoko in the AO semi than the final anyway
That's what the man himself was alluding to last time he was asked.

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Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:33 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Ok, didn't know thinness is a symptom of doping. Now I know why you mentioned it yesterday.
I actually did not mention it with drug in mind but he certainly looked very lean, his legs muscles, joints and bones were really sharp (not sure how to describe it but simply with 0 fat to round it off).

It's called 'definition' or ripped.  A guy like Ronaldo is also ripped but still has 10% body fat. I guess Djoko's percentage is even lower. It's amazing he still has time to go out on practice court because it's a full time job to maintain such a fat percentage. The natural way that is..

yes, ripped that's the word I was looking for. I remember Nadal in that AO12? he also was so ripped. He did have a deep gap between the his eyelid and eyebrow.
Lendl was the king of all "skull faces" but he wasn't ripped, he was fit, 80's fit

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by luvsports! on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:35 pm

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luvsports! wrote:Ok so I see him as less physical this year as he couldnt outpower and physically dominate nole like he has in the past.
Could that have anything to do with Nole?

Nadal coudl not do much v Nole in 2011 either....and though he did better in 2013 and 14 I think that had a lot to do with Djoko not being as convincing those 2 years as 2015.....so it's all relative here.

From the naked eye, I'd say Nadal this year certainly looked physically weaker at times....but it's not as clear cut as he certainly lacked confiddence too. And one thing which can be proven is that he is doing his best to stand closer, hence reducing the need for big muscles...hence last longer.....

I don;t think any of us can have a real clue of what's going on.

had nadal lost to PHM at FO06 or to Querrey, Youzhny, Haase in his early Wimby we woudl have come with completely different conclusions.

One thing is clear, he is changing his game and is more aggressive now thna ever.

It could for sure, but i believe the drop off has been huge from Rafa.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:39 pm

Stan's on fire!
Everything is going in!

His rawness is such a contrast to Fed's smoothness, but still great to watch.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:44 pm

I think "ripped" is for fake, pumped muscle like Nadal's biceps.

I use "definition" for leg muscles as it's hard to get legs "ripped" , unless you are Tipsarevic...

I just don't know how Berdych was able to slap on so much muscle on his quads, though.

Like he was pulling a tractor up a mountain before breakfast as a warm-up.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:54 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I think "ripped" is for fake, pumped muscle like Nadal's biceps.

I use "definition" for leg muscles as it's hard to get legs "ripped" , unless you are Tipsarevic...

I just don't know how Berdych was able to slap on so much muscle on his quads, though.

Like he was pulling a tractor up a mountain before breakfast as a warm-up.

Ripped are also the body builders competitors.....Schwarzy type. As they are judged not only on mucles volume but how "defined" or ripped their muscles are.

Anyhow, Djoko standing to receive serve could win one of those body building competition.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:20 pm

Tenez wrote:
Ripped are also the body builders competitors.....Schwarzy type. As they are judged not only on mucles volume but how "defined" or ripped their muscles are.

Anyhow, Djoko standing to receive serve could win one of those body building competition.

Yuk...I don't know where to look....

Ripped is horrible.
Defined is nice.
Natural is Goldilocks: just right!

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:25 pm

So...does this mean that Federer and Nadal have topped their groups more or less?

Who would Fed rather play: Nadal or Stan?

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:37 pm

noleisthebest wrote:So...does this mean that Federer and Nadal have topped their groups more or less?

Who would Fed rather play: Nadal or Stan?

Probably Stan on current form. But either shoudl be fun.

I think Djoko will want to play Nadal to make up for his bad H2H...

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Post by DECIMA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:39 pm

Tenez correctly predicted the number of sets in the Murray Nadal match today, credit where credit's due Winking

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:40 pm

Wow...did not realise Nadal Djoko were so close....21 v 22.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:41 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Tenez correctly predicted the number of sets in the Murray Nadal match today, credit where credit's due Winking
Oh yeah...though I think it is fair to say that Murray was not 100%.


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Post by DECIMA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:45 pm

Murray didn't play well, but I thought Rafa played a great match actually. Took control of the rallies, and defended well. However Djokovic is miles above Murray atm.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:49 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Murray didn't play well, but I thought Rafa played a great match actually. Took control of the rallies, and defended well. However Djokovic is miles above Murray atm.

But it's the same story...easy to look good when the opponent is not 100%...same thing with Fed yesterday in that 2nd set.

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Post by DECIMA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:54 pm

Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Murray didn't play well, but I thought Rafa played a great match actually. Took control of the rallies, and defended well. However Djokovic is miles above Murray atm.

But it's the same story...easy to look good when the opponent is not 100%...same thing with Fed yesterday in that 2nd set.
Well there's been many times this year where Nadal's opponent is playing badly, but he's still failed to take full advantage and then become involved in a low quality scrap. Murray did play well enough to beat Ferrer 6-4 6-4; but Nadal was a step far. Federer played great yesterday, and that should give him confidence for future meetings even when Djokovic is not below par.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:56 pm

I think Nadal may have more trouble v Ferrer than Murray or Stan.

I'd like to see v Djoko....he is the real benchmark nowadays.

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Post by DECIMA on Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:05 pm

Nadal has declined, he won't be able to match Djokovic unless Nole plays like he did in the second set against Federer. If Djokovic plays like he has so far this autumn, he will beat anyone in the world.
I don't think Nadal will have much trouble against Ferrer, it's a bit of a dead rubber so it depends on the intensity both players play at. Nadal is definitely first in the group, so hopefully he won't bother spending too much energy.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:39 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:So...does this mean that Federer and Nadal have topped their groups more or less?

Who would Fed rather play: Nadal or Stan?

Probably Stan on current form. But either shoudl be fun.

I think Djoko will want to play Nadal to make up for his bad H2H...

I suppose, but only just. Mirka can always step in if necessary Winking

In fact, it will be Nadal who chooses who to play in the SF with since their group plays last - on Friday.

Which is good, because Fed will have a day of rest.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:01 am

yes the day of rest is crucial for the old man.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:08 am

Tenez wrote:yes the day of rest is crucial for the old man.

I have always found that "old man" tag really annoying and irritating for some reason.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:16 am

yep..it doesn't make us any younger! Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:22 am

Tenez wrote:yep..it doesn't make us any younger! Winking
I knew you'd  say that...not, it's not vanity, "old man" just sounds patronising and dismissive, kind of reduces him with a subtle hint of envy.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:50 am

Stan moved to second spot from Group-B. Now he needs to beat the moping Murray to secure the semis spot. Nadal is almost certain to finish top in his group.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:32 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Stan moved to second spot from Group-B. Now he needs to beat the moping Murray to secure the semis spot. Nadal is almost certain to finish top in his group.
That means it will be another Fed-Stan semi followed by Nole-Nadal.

And then the Fed-Nole final.

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:34 am

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Stan moved to second spot from Group-B. Now he needs to beat the moping Murray to secure the semis spot. Nadal is almost certain to finish top in his group.
That means it will be another Fed-Stan semi followed by Nole-Nadal.

And then the Fed-Nole final.
So will Fed vs Stan/Murray be the first semi ?

I've already watched Nadal once this week, and I do really like watching Federer live too (btw for those FEDAL fans who haven't... it's really worth it); but would prefer to see Rafa again.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:37 am

DONALD TRUMP wrote:

So will Fed vs Stan/Murray be the first semi ?

I've already watched Nadal once this week, and I do really like watching Federer live too (btw for those FEDAL fans who haven't... it's really worth it); but would prefer to see Rafa again.

I don't know, but probably so.
Btw, what is a FEDAL fan?

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:39 am

noleisthebest wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:

So will Fed vs Stan/Murray be the first semi ?

I've already watched Nadal once this week, and I do really like watching Federer live too (btw for those FEDAL fans who haven't... it's really worth it); but would prefer to see Rafa again.

I don't know, but probably so.
Btw, what is a FEDAL fan?
Federer fans or Nadal fans in this context.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:53 am

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
I don't know, but probably so.
Btw, what is a FEDAL fan?
Federer fans or Nadal fans in this context.
Thanks for clarifying. Winking

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:03 am

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Stan moved to second spot from Group-B. Now he needs to beat the moping Murray to secure the semis spot. Nadal is almost certain to finish top in his group.
That means it will be another Fed-Stan semi followed by Nole-Nadal.

And then the Fed-Nole final.
So will Fed vs Stan/Murray be the first semi ?

I've already watched Nadal once this week, and I do really like watching Federer live too (btw for those FEDAL fans who haven't... it's really worth it); but would prefer to see Rafa again.
I certainly wish a FEDAL final....so I will be chearing for nadal on Saturday. Mainly cause I think it will be a slightly easier job for Fed.

Especially since Nadal and Djoko have now reached the age where a yesterday match is felt on the legs.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:35 am

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I certainly wish a FEDAL final....so I will be chearing for nadal on Saturday. Mainly cause I think it will be a slightly easier job for Fed.

Especially since Nadal and Djoko have now reached the age where a yesterday match is felt on the legs.

I don't mind a Fedal final but to cheer for Nadal? Never.
Over my own dead body. Winking

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:59 am

If Nadal tries to take the ball earlier and dictate I will have an open mind about it.

Besides, I think I'd prefer Nadal to win his first Masters than seeing Djoko winning his 5th.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:05 pm

I know the end justifies the means for you.


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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:17 pm

Yes, the end is to have a more creative and enjoyable tennis to watch.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:36 pm

Very lethargic display from fed!

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:41 pm

what if Fed loses in 2 straight sets? then Djoko wins in 3 this evening?

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Post by DECIMA on Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:46 pm

It's done on head to head; so wouldn't make a difference.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm

Some very nice shots and points but such a flat match.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:22 pm

yep...Fed played poorly in teh first set but managed to do just enough.....Playing better now than Nishi's form is dropping fast.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:22 pm

I like the new look.

Beard + SABR = Jolly Roger: bold, rough and exciting.


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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:28 pm

Tenez wrote:yep...Fed played poorly in teh first set but managed to do just enough.....Playing better now than Nishi's form is dropping fast.
It doesn't take long for Nishi to drop level.
He is too silky for tennis.

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:36 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:yep...Fed played poorly in teh first set but managed to do just enough.....Playing better now than Nishi's form is dropping fast.
It doesn't take long for Nishi to drop level.
He is too silky for tennis.
too late....I have framed that! Winking

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Re: ATP Tour Final - The Draw

Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:40 pm

That's the last thing fed wanted.....wasting energy....

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