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Post by ... on Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:13 pm

Draw:



http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2015/352/mds.pdf


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http://www.protennislive.com/posting/2015/352/op.pdf

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:05 pm

Lack disappeared into toilet at 9:9 in the TB, Rublev on serve...
I can't believe it.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:09 pm

Is that true? I thought Rub was not playing.

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Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:01 pm

He is playing in some Challenger.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:04 pm

Just checked the score: he lost 7:6 (11) 6:4

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:16 pm

Well......hope he won't turn into another failed promising youngster....he just turned 18 now.....so he is in the race. .

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:35 pm

I don't think Rubi will fail. He has a great appetite.

Same cannot be said for Paire.

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Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:43 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I don't think Rubi will fail. He has a great appetite.

Same cannot be said for Paire .
But when that fire gets going - he is fantastic to watch! Bubbly

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:58 pm

I stopped watching.....Tennis without stake is not so great to watch anymore.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:14 pm

Underneath that happy-go-lucky clown facade, Monfils is a bit of a dirty player.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:22 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Underneath that happy-go-lucky clown facade, Monfils is a bit of a dirty player.

oh yeah.....remember v Pouille....in AO last year!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:46 pm

Serving for the match now and was 0:4 down in the second set.

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Post by ... on Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:48 pm

What a win for Paire.
Mag-ni-fi-qu-e!!!! Applause

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:45 am

Monfils after the match:

"He surprised me. He started playing like he was going to let me get that match. Suddenly, he changed, so I also needed to get back into it myself. He was being aggressive and succeeding well in his attacks, and I had to change my game then."

I am not surprised he thought like that..must be his own regular tactic, but how uncharitable to think everyone else is like him and say it in public...

Bottom line, he underestimated Paire, thinking he'd implode and give up, being happy with just taking part in the "show", letting the main clown win.

But am so glad he didn't.

Despite some wonderful shots from Monfils, his tennis was again a grind.
Paire just relaxed and waited for tenseness to leave him, which it did just in time when he was 0:4 down in the second set (and coincidentally the moment I started watching the match Winking ).
I think he did the same against Tomic or someone recently, with the same result, turning match around.

Anyway, he was ultra aggressive and brilliant to watch. One of the few who holds his racquet loosely and will never need his fingers taped.

He showed all his talent: fantastic natural serve, excellent hands and volleys. Just needs to keep working, he's made a big improvement since he's trained with Fed this summer. I hope they do the same in the off-season.

Playing Simon tonight, will be a nice match as Simon is a more disciplined player and certainly fairer, too.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:54 am

Pouille playing well again.
Comfortable and within himself esp on the FH.

BH not bad either. Just looks natural.

Chardy on the other hand, is forever in a corner for some reason, about 75% of the play.
It's hard to sustain winning like that, however good your FH is.

I suppose you either make run or have to run yourself.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:12 pm

I am not sure Chardy is moving 100%. He played very well recent;y up to a few matches ago.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:16 pm

Karlo has lost all his 3rd set TBs this year.....He might play another one v Roger V now.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:37 pm

Sometimes I think Karlovic is involved in match fixing...
He lost 1set TB 1:7!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:08 pm

Pouille similar to Rublev, just can't last very long.
All of a sudden it's him and not Chardy that looks very tired.

In Pouille's case, legs slow down fast as he is heavier than Rubi.

There is a big gap in stamina between the young and the rest.

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Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:20 pm

Tennistv very rarely show doubles matches...but they are showing one now, yes, it's Paes&Nadal.

Just saw them sit down for a changeover, Paes looking stressed and not his usual smiley self.

Must he that first set they lost.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:41 pm

wow..they were a break up and strolling....in that 1st set.

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Post by ... on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:26 pm

I only saw that changeover moment...and now the score, straight set loss.
Poor Paes...this was a masters 1000 earnings for him gone.

Coric-Verdasco producing some very boring tennis, mainly thanks to Coric.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:44 pm

Just when I was about to get ready and play.....starts to pour down! Grr not a good day today!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:17 am

Nadal-Rosol reprise, yes please!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:20 am

Paris looks like a very slow court...like WTF...made worse by the cam angle certainly....but very slow still.

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Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:24 am

Yes, it is.
Not only do you have to be aggressive but to bash at the same time, as well.
In a strange way it reminds me of this year's RG.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:27 am

Fed is not going to try hard...he 'll be gutted about it.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:30 am

Yes, disappointing from the Frenchies to have conditions that work against their players and good tennis.

Only Stan may be able to make some use of it. Cilic is still raw in the head.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:25 am

It is sad to see a player of Nishi's ball-striking talent grind points away, his upper legs also look bulkier than before.
But that's the slow court for you. Really frustrating. I feel sorry for players.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:44 am

Cilic-Dimi could be good.
If Dimi loses - he should retire Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:12 am

Chardy's FH is so good.

A dilemma arises:

Who would be a better player:
Paire with Chardy's FH or Chardy with Paire's BH?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:23 am

My answer: Paire. Better serve, better hands. Would be leathal.
Maybe even the new GOAT!
DBH one.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:44 am

i have hardly seen Paire played so can't comment.

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Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:50 am

Dimi's BH return is almost non-existant.
How on earth did he make Wimbledon SF?

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Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:25 pm

Well done to Dimi for winning that first set.
I know I am a bit hard on him, but that's because he is playing so conservatively with a SBH.

Now that Rasheed's made him fit, maybe he needs to hire someone to help him take his BH earlier.

Dimi does have a big heart to be persevering with the SBH. He is competing really well with it, in fact Hug

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Dimi does have a big heart to be persevering with the SBH. He is competing really well with it, in fact Hug

Yes...I think you have been hard with him.....he just went through a doubt period but I think he can come back.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:58 pm

Tenez wrote:I think he can come back.

About time. The game needs youngish players desperately, it's getting really stale. I mean, no question who will win Paris + WTF, probably without a decent challenge.  sleepy

Shame about those courts.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

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Autumnleaf wrote:
Tenez wrote:I think he can come back.

About time. The game needs youngish players desperately, it's getting really stale. I mean, no question who will win Paris + WTF, probably without a decent challenge.  sleepy

Shame about those courts.

I think things have begun to move a bit.
Speeding up the courts would certainly help against RR-ers as they are the main bottleneck now.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by DECIMA on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:19 pm

Fact:
Coric is a LIGHTWEIGHT

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:22 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I think things have begun to move a bit.
Maybe, but the French at Bercy and the WTF organizers (provided it's indeed the same surface) seem to lag behind. Winking

Looking at the top 10, only Nishikori/Wawrinka are new faces, the rest has been around like forever. It may not be very nice, but I really don't wish to see a guy like Ferrer around anymore. He doesn't add anything new, he just prevents more exciting players from progressing through the draws.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:36 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I think things have begun to move a bit.
Maybe, but the French at Bercy and the WTF organizers (provided it's indeed the same surface) seem to lag behind. Winking

Looking at the top 10, only Nishikori/Wawrinka are new faces, the rest has been around like forever. It may not be very nice, but I really don't wish to see a guy like Ferrer around anymore. He doesn't add anything new, he just prevents more exciting players from progressing through the draws.
What's so sad about it is that it seems those long standing top 10ers are making the most of the non-changing conds/technology. We have now 5 out of 10 players being 30 or over in that top 10. Soon 6 out 10! possibly. It is no coincidence and confirms that without having a tech advantage (bigger frame, new strings, technique etc...) youngsters have little chance overtake mature players.

The key, more than stamina, is probably timing. If you throw longer rallies, it helps to be able to have a consistent timing and there age plays a great role too.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:46 pm

The problem is that even mid-20ies "youngsters" aren't able to break through the likes of Ferrer who hasn't even had the greatest of years.  

He missed huge parts of the actions and he still finds himself in the top 8 easily. Berdych hasn't done anything after Madrid either. Nishikori has regressed throughout the year. It will be a WTF to rival last year's in misery.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:47 pm

Rosol is looking weaker against Nadal this week. It's probably the court, he seems to be returning better. Nadal already with a BP and now a second serve. Done deal for Nadal.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:56 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:The problem is that even mid-20ies "youngsters" aren't able to break through the likes of Ferrer who hasn't even had the greatest of years.  

He missed huge parts of the actions and he still finds himself in the top 8 easily. Berdych hasn't done anything after Madrid either. Nishikori has regressed throughout the year. It will be a WTF to rival last year's in misery.

For the very reasons I have kept mentioning for years!! I am 100% sure that those mid-20ies players will be much better when they are end-20s.....like Stan!

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Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:00 pm

Not convinced. Even with Wawrinka you could see early on that he had game with questionable shot selection and movement, but the current crop all lack severly in some respects. Hope, some of them prove me wrong and improve beyond my imagination. Big Grin

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Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:00 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I think things have begun to move a bit.
Maybe, but the French at Bercy and the WTF organizers (provided it's indeed the same surface) seem to lag behind. Winking

Looking at the top 10, only Nishikori/Wawrinka are new faces, the rest has been around like forever. It may not be very nice, but I really don't wish to see a guy like Ferrer around anymore. He doesn't add anything new, he just prevents more exciting players from progressing through the draws.

I used to disliike him, but have developed a soft spot for him. He is actually an amazing player all things considered.

WTF is low bouncing but still very slow, which is really annoying.

As it is the best of the best tournament, it should really provide a nice smooth, skidding surface so that at least in that one tournament of the elite, the truly best one wins.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:04 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I used to disliike him, but have developed a soft spot for him. He is actually an amazing player all things considered.
I don't mind him as a player or a man, but he has simply long overstayed his welcome. He's not Federer who can still amaze and innovate past 30. 

At WTF he is just filling up the numbers. But then again you could say that about a few other players as well...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by ... on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:20 pm

I didn't realise Nadl-Rosol already started...

The court seems not only slow but high-bouncing as well, no wonder Nadal won the first set.
Come on Rossy!

Having said that, he looks worried and far from relaxed, cautious with his shots, BH all over the place...a different man from last week.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:38 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:Not convinced. Even with Wawrinka you could see early on that he had game with questionable shot selection and movement, but the current crop all lack severly in some respects. Hope, some of them prove me wrong and improve beyond my imagination. Big Grin

I am not sure how you can make a difference between Stan and the existing mid-20s. Exactly the same thing to me. None of us woudl have put a penny on Stan winning a GS before he was 28...and even at 29 it came as a real surprise. As least some of us had more hope about Rao, Cilic, Nishi and Dimi.

Same thing for berdych actually. he was a journeyman for most of his career. he only got better at 27 onwards.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Paris

Post by Autumnleaf on Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:50 pm

Tenez wrote:Same thing for berdych actually. he was a journeyman for most of his career. he only got better at 27 onwards.
Berdych got better? Surely not results-wise. He won his only masters event in 2005 at age 20, hasn't come close since. He made Wimbledon final in 2010, aged 25. So he certainly wasn't a journeyman before 27. Quite the opposite, he was a real top player and a threat to the very best. Now not so much. With the help of a soft draw he made the SF of the AO and the F of Monte Carlo. He lost in R16 in RG, Wimbledon and US Open, winning just 2 sets in those matches.

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