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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:22 am

just look where he stands on th ereturn compared to before......3m earlier!!!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:24 am

Stan is hitting the ball so hard, he isn't just trying to hit winners, he's trying to crack the court open.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:39 am

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Stan is hitting the ball so hard, he isn't just trying to hit winners, he's trying to crack the court open.
Is this sarcastic? cause i actually don't think so.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by luvsports! on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:46 am

Stan horror show as well I expect?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:47 am

Stan is always, don't know which version will turn up.

Today's version is the 'stan the pan'

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:48 am

Tenez wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Stan is hitting the ball so hard, he isn't just trying to hit winners, he's trying to crack the court open.
Is this sarcastic? cause i actually don't think so.
Well when I said that he was playing a bit better than he is now, but yes I'd still agree, he seems to be hitting the ball very hard but not caring about precision.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:49 am

Nadal is playing well...but allowed to more than it should have been by Stan certainly looking tired.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:49 am

you must be plesased to se what you are seeing DT.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:54 am

Tenez wrote:you must be plesased to se what you are seeing DT.
Yes I'm pleased with the first set, in the second Stan just self-destructed.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:55 am

Fleming in the last game of that set 'Nadal has lost his rhythm here with Stan playing like he is'... clearly stunning tactics by Stan to break the Spaniard's rhythm; shame it didn't work right at the end there :/

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:00 am

what is actually quite obvious now is that if nadal shed some weight/muscles, it is to last longer , to be able to cope with the 25s rule and that can only be done by taking the ball earlier. The strategy is pretty clear...and it seems to be working. Whether it will work at the higher level under the higher pressure it is to be seen.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:03 am

I only saw the match from 2:0 in the 2nd set, with no commentary.
What happened?
Stan looked like he had a bad back.


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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:13 am

Tenez wrote:what is actually quite obvious now is that if nadal shed some weight/muscles, it is to last longer , to be able to cope with the 25s rule and that can only be done by taking the ball earlier. The strategy is pretty clear...and it seems to be working. Whether it will work at the higher level under the higher pressure it is to be seen.
He hasn't lost muscle, I know this unfortunately because some of the Nadal fan pages I follow love making a big point of it with weekly updates of how Nadal's topless figure and biceps are looking.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:13 am

Tenez wrote:what is actually quite obvious now is that if nadal shed some weight/muscles, it is to last longer , to be able to cope with the 25s rule and that can only be done by taking the ball earlier. The strategy is pretty clear...and it seems to be working. Whether it will work at the higher level under the higher pressure it is to be seen.
I didn't notice any/much muscle/weight loss.
I paid extra attention when he stood next to Nole in their match in Beijing - his torso is still thicker as are his legs, particularly thighs, they are considerably bigger than Nole's.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:14 am

noleisthebest wrote:I only saw the match from 2:0 in the 2nd set, with no commentary.
What happened?
Stan looked like he had a bad back.

Stan played like a TOTAL LOSER, grossly incompetent and far too weak; basically the opposite of how I'm going to be as President of 'Murica.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:32 am

Hey wet pants! It ain't 'Murica you rubber desk johnny! It's 'Muuuuurrrriiiccaaaa.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:10 pm

Since I've become Nadal's off court-coach (I still leave the on court coaching to Toni), Nadal's record is just GREAT:

3-0 W/L

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:51 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:Since I've become Nadal's off court-coach (I still leave the on court coaching to Toni), Nadal's record is just GREAT:

3-0 W/L
... it's easy to beat a guy whos first serve is in the 30s%.

Nadal played this match like he had to win to save his mothers life compared to Stan who looked like he'd rather be taking the dog for a walk.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:55 pm

Only saw a handful of points from the 1st set&TB and the end of 2nd set of Nole-Tomic.

As expected, it was close while Tomic was playing well.
He made Nole run a lot, and could have won the set easily, just became too passive and played like Murray minus the speed.
He never made the most of the easy power in his FH, foolishly engaging in sliced BH cat and mouse exchanges.

His mind is lazy and passive, again the same conclusion: waste of talent.

Plus, he doesn't have stomach for the battle.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:00 pm

Anyone excited about Murray-Berdych?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:05 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Anyone excited about Murray-Berdych?
The equivalent of a relegation battle in the PL.

No thanks Cool

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:06 pm

TennisTV showing win-loss ratio for top ten in 2015, Nole already played 72 matches (entering the fewest tournaments). That's a lot!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:08 pm

AceofDeath wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Anyone excited about Murray-Berdych?
The equivalent of a relegation battle in the PL.

No thanks Cool

I expect Murray to win, so the SF will be good tomorrow. In the masochistic way, of course.
What's "PL"?

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:15 pm

Just saw their H2H is 6:6, didn't realise it was so close.

Is this their first match post Mrs Murray's foulmouthing gaffe?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:22 pm

They last played in Miami.

PL is the premier league Laugh last thing tennis needs is Berdych to get humiliated 6-0 6-2 again

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:31 pm

TennisTV just showed avg groundstroke speed: Murray 110 kph, Berdych 122 kph.

I'd love to see the same stat from 2011.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:32 pm

Berdych is such a big baby!
First changeover and already spending ALL of it moaning about various things.

I suppose he just got broken Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:35 pm

What's the definition of a tennis nerd?

Not only do you recognise faces of various TDs, you also know their names! Run

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:37 pm

Murray has definitely become more natural in his all court play/movement under Mauresmo,

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Berdych needs to give birth in order to win a point against Murray today...

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:26 pm

AceofDeath wrote:
DONALD TRUMP wrote:Since I've become Nadal's off court-coach (I still leave the on court coaching to Toni), Nadal's record is just GREAT:

3-0 W/L
... it's easy to beat a guy whos first serve is in the 30s%.

Nadal played this match like he had to win to save his mothers life compared to Stan who looked like he'd rather be taking the dog for a walk.
No Josiah, not right, it was actually 47%.

And Stan's soul unfortunately was crushed by Nadal's tactical play which I engineered.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:30 pm

Sorry I was doing my tax returns so I couldn't watch the Murray-Berdych match; but I gave a quick phonecall and donation to the Shanghai TD and the schedule for the semis looks good tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/654706635663773696

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Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:33 pm

More chance of Nadal having a full head of hair than him taking advice from you sorry

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Post by Daniel on Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Nadal is heading for another beatdown with Murray or Djok.  That's if he gets through Tsonga.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:14 pm

AceofDeath wrote:More chance of Nadal having a full head of hair than him taking advice from you sorry
Not the sharpest tool in the box Josiah ? Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:37 pm

DONALD TRUMP wrote:
Tenez wrote:what is actually quite obvious now is that if nadal shed some weight/muscles, it is to last longer , to be able to cope with the 25s rule and that can only be done by taking the ball earlier. The strategy is pretty clear...and it seems to be working. Whether it will work at the higher level under the higher pressure it is to be seen.
He hasn't lost muscle, I know this unfortunately because some of the Nadal fan pages I follow love making a big point of it with weekly updates of how Nadal's topless figure and biceps are looking.
It's very difficult to see on tv.....and even in flesh. Not many can actually point those differences even in flesh. I don;t know but that is the rumour that was circulating. Regardless he is taking the ball earlier and that means he won't need to hit the ball as hard as in the past.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:00 pm

Has he kept the points shorter than before? Havent watched much apart from today for a few games.

Murray-Djoko is the virtual final

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:What's the definition of a tennis nerd?

Not only do you recognise faces of various TDs, you also know their names! Run
Yep...we all are here but you are certainly taking it to a new level! Winking

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:05 pm

Djokovic won his last match against Murray in Shanghai, in the 2012 final.
"It'll be an extremely tough match," the Briton said of Saturday's encounter.
"We played great tennis in the 2012 final, but I feel like we are quite different players since then. I feel both of us have progressed and play different tennis. We are now quite aggressive."
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Nah!!!! We have a few posters here who know better Andy! You decline, I decline, they decline. It's a bloody declining world. Even daylight declines nowadays!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:51 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:What's the definition of a tennis nerd?

Not only do you recognise faces of various TDs, you also know their names! Run
Yep...we all are here but you are certainly taking it to a new level! Winking
Some of us have to escape farther than the rest.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:What's the definition of a tennis nerd?

Not only do you recognise faces of various TDs, you also know their names! Run
Yep...we all are here but you are certainly taking it to a new level! Winking
Some of us have to escape farther than the rest.
It's a luxury I wish I had....though I can't complain....I have spent many days studying ranking, counting rallies of numerous matches over numerous years while measuring pace, keeping record of ground covered by players, etc....etc.....

I am actually one, if not the worst tennis nerd out there. I should be hired by the best tennis programs.

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Post by AceofDeath on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:54 pm

You should be called STATenez

the man with the stats Love Blush

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:50 pm

Tenez wrote:
It's a luxury I wish I had....though I can't complain....I have spent many days studying ranking, counting rallies of numerous matches over numerous years while measuring pace, keeping record of ground covered by players, etc....etc.....
I am actually one, if not the worst tennis nerd out there. I should be hired by the best tennis programs.

My dimension avoids charts and graphs at all cost.
Numbers feel like a cage.

And even when cold stats prove a truth, something dies...

The only number I love is Pi.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:22 pm

To glorious Pi! Bubbly


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:42 pm

Tenez wrote:
It's a luxury I wish I had....though I can't complain....I have spent many days studying ranking, counting rallies of numerous matches over numerous years while measuring pace, keeping record of ground covered by players, etc....etc.....

I am actually one, if not the worst tennis nerd out there. I should be hired by the best tennis programs.

Have you had a Eureka moment?

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:54 am

AceofDeath wrote:You should be called STATenez

the man with the stats Love Blush
not very sexy....but certainly appropriate.  Winking

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:56 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
It's a luxury I wish I had....though I can't complain....I have spent many days studying ranking, counting rallies of numerous matches over numerous years while measuring pace, keeping record of ground covered by players, etc....etc.....
I am actually one, if not the worst tennis nerd out there. I should be hired by the best tennis programs.

My dimension avoids charts and graphs at all cost.
Numbers feel like a cage.

And even when cold stats prove a truth, something dies...

The only number I love is Pi.
yep....you are very much an analog observer. .

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:08 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
It's a luxury I wish I had....though I can't complain....I have spent many days studying ranking, counting rallies of numerous matches over numerous years while measuring pace, keeping record of ground covered by players, etc....etc.....

I am actually one, if not the worst tennis nerd out there. I should be hired by the best tennis programs.

Have you had a Eureka moment?
yep. I did actually. ....when I suspected Nadal's taking time was due to recovery and not OCD. I remembered Nadal losing that 5 setter in Miami 05 and thought this match will show whether Nadal was taking time there or not.....and obviously he did not. Then the following matches had to show he was taking extra time....and guess what? they did. That proved that Toni deliberately took the decision to slow down the routine between point after Nadal lost 6 games in a row in that 5th set in Miami 05. 

I knew from the beginning Nadal's time taking was necessary condition to play his gruelling game and proved it!  Cheers

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: SHANGHAI

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:11 am

Tenez wrote:
yep....you are very much an analog observer. .

smiley


It's time to observe some cruel reality...
Nadal-Tsonga

What do you think?

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:14 am

I have not seen Tsonga play recently.....but I know he has often, almost always struggled v Nadal.....so I am not hoping for much.

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